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首架装备AESA机载雷达的阵风战机诞生

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发表于 6-10-2012 04:27 AM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
恭喜阵风AESA比台风AESA早两年多交出第一架!
10月2日,达索航空公司在其位于波尔多的制造厂向法国国防采购局(DGA)正式交付了第一架装备有“泰利斯”(Thales)RBE2 AESA机载雷达的阵风战机(生产序列号:C137)
这标志着首架装备AESA雷达的欧洲自制战斗机的诞生,比装备AESA雷达的美国战机的出现,晚了整整10年多。



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PARIS — The Direction Générale de l’Armement (DGA) took delivery of the first production-built Rafale fighter jet fitted with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, the procurement office said Oct. 2.


http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121002/DEFREG01/310020006/Rafale-Delivered-AESA-Radar



台风战机将配备有源相控阵雷达
2012-07-10

英国首相卡梅伦在范堡罗国际航展上正式宣布,支持“台风”项目的四国要求欧洲战斗机集团研发一种有源相控阵雷达,并实现2015年装备到“台风”战机之上。

报道称,战斗机项目管理局(NETMA)负责监管该项目的实施。上周,该机构向欧洲战斗机集团提交了一份建议书。有关信息认为,发展有源相控阵雷达雷达对提供“台风”战机的能力至关重要。在出口方面,由于美国、法国和瑞典均拥有或即将拥有有源相控阵雷达;“台风”战机若要具备竞争优势,就必须装备有源相控阵雷达。官方还在关注“台风”战机其他方面的性能提升,其中一项便是引入一种新型空空导弹。



以人口计算,新加坡的人均军费世界第二,仅排在以色列之后。若以领土面积计算,新加坡拥有的F-15战斗机比以色列更多。不过,民眾依然接受这是「实际需求」。
不过在大马,国內特定群体总是反对各类军购。他们指我国海军潜水艇无法潜水,也谴责建造沿岸巡逻舰(LCS)时,武装部队基金子公司莫实得海军船坞(Boustead Naval Shipyard)所需的造船费为何忽然大增。


80年代印度购买榴弹砲(Howitzer)时,由於一眾国大党政客被指收取了博福斯公司(Bofors)的贿赂,导致拉吉夫政权倒台。最近要採购 126架新一代战斗机时,曼莫汉星总理依然战战兢兢。由於价格便宜10%,印度最终选择了不太適合的法国达索公司阵风战斗机(Dassault Rafale),而非欧洲战机公司的颱风战机(Eurofighter Typhoon)


      如果我國採購“歐洲颱風戰機”,部分戰機組件,將交由本地公司生產,例如馬方的CTRM,有能力生產机翼組件,那么“歐洲颱風戰機”的机翼組件,是能夠交由馬方負責。 “這也是意味著,我們會將馬方例為颱風戰機全球零件的供應鏈之一。”
 事實上,現在每一架空中巴士,都有馬方生產組件,馬方從更早以前,就已經是Bae的傳統合作伙伴。
 


欧洲战机财团 5年内马投资63亿

(伦敦20日讯)英国航空航天系统公司(BAE Systems)旗下欧洲战机财团(Eurofighter consortium)准备未来5年内在大马投资63亿令吉,专门进行衍生项目(offset programmes)。 航天系统高级工业伙伴及衍生工程经理麦克佩雷告诉“马新社”,过去5年已在大马投资约35亿令吉
 “我们已与参与欧洲台风战机(Eurofighter Typhoon)的伙伴公司接洽,希望可透过这些投资实现一些价值。”
 他指出,该公司希望能够以区域长期衍生项目,且使用真正科技,让大马公司可藉此参与全球成长。
 佩雷亦指出,不仅将为大马提供科技,同时亦有意将大马做为公司发展东协业务的枢纽中心。
 该公司计划先将本地巴士、货车和战车等交通工具所使用的混合科技燃料系统,推广至东协市场。
 “我们希望未来可以在大马设立一个全新的项目。”

http://cnews.cari.com.my/news.php?id=251783


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发表于 6-10-2012 04:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
我不贊同,因為性能上RAFALE比台風還要好一些,技術上更加成熟。我想要問EUROFIGHTER公司究竟會給我們TRANCHE 1,TRANCHE 2還是TRANCHE 3的EUROFIGHTER?

AIRBUS的零件跟戰鬥機沒關係吧?難道我們有了國產車就不可以買進口車了?
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发表于 6-10-2012 05:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
Typhoon AESA研制计划能否成功?
不是技术问题,是钱的问题!
欧洲多国排队买F-35,谁还会大量买进有AESA的Typhoon?
Typhoon的AESA R&D成本最终由谁买单?
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 楼主| 发表于 6-10-2012 05:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
玩具熊 发表于 6-10-2012 04:37 PM
我不贊同,因為性能上RAFALE比台風還要好一些,技術上更加成熟。我想要問EUROFIGHTER公司究竟會給我們TRANC ...

我们来讨论,不要理会分身~~

RAFALE比台風T2 强大的部份唯有对地能力,但空优的T2有空战的绝对优势。
例如:台风T2已经两度打败F-22.
但是我国要买的不是T2, 是with AESA和已经加强对地攻击能力的T3。
实战经验如何呢?
F15和RAFALE在利比亚各被击落一架,但是T2却完整无缺的完成对地攻击任务而且还有youtube为证!

T3 大概要 2015年才有AESA。 如果我军2013年决定买T3, 那BAE在我国建新厂到来,第一批台风T3刚好能在2015年装上AESA. 就算买RAFALE也要2015年才能在本地产出第一架吧?

BAE在马来西亚有Air bus的零件厂,装甲车和造战舰合作的经验,这对于失败的风险将大大降低!
你不会没听说过印度遇"人"不淑, 造武器失败或被大砍菜头的经验吧?

还有RAFALE的老板因为在欧洲贿赂而坐过牢,在印度也贿赂了处理RAFALE案的空军官员。。。

除此之外,RAFALE大炮说要投资12亿。(拿不到合约肯定跑人)
但是BAE已经实实在在的投资了35亿,而且要再投资63亿。。。(对我国就业和经济有大帮助)
你信RAFALE的随口说一说,还是已经有Air bus零件厂投资的BAE ???



英军公布台风战机摧毁利政府军坦克录像
http://v.news.163.com/video/2011/4/1/2/V70LSTA12.html


此前,利比亚已经击落了一架法国阵风战斗机,因此,F15被利比亚击落也不值得奇怪了。
     F15暂时作为美国对外出口的主力战机,为美国政府及军火商带来了巨大的商机,一旦美国承认F15是被利比亚击落的,美国就极有可能失去一批重要的F15战机采购商,这样的话,对美军来说将会是巨大的损失。因此我们可以认为F15是被利比亚击落的。

http://www.fxingw.com/jdtj/2011-03-29/5453_2.html

台风也参与利比亚低空轰炸, 但没有传出被利比亚中国旧款防空武器击落!
买阵风将来如果低空轰炸豹2,面对较新款的新加坡Aster防空系统,能不被击落吗?
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发表于 6-10-2012 08:52 PM | 显示全部楼层
Typhoon有没有AESA还是未知数。

Rafale 就不同,有印度126架战机和法国一百几十架战斗机摊分AESA R&D开发成本。

Typhoon的AESA,谁来买单?
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发表于 7-10-2012 02:01 AM | 显示全部楼层
蹉蹉跎跎又是一年了,还没决定钱撒谁家哦,不是等到换季打五折才下手吧?
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树头 发表于 7-10-2012 02:01 AM
蹉蹉跎跎又是一年了,还没决定钱撒谁家哦,不是等到换季打五折才下手吧?


说不定喔~~

可能等到欧元区解体, 希腊...西班牙...意大利 破产...到时双风可能都会便宜卖来整救英法不破产~~
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发表于 7-10-2012 04:41 PM | 显示全部楼层
Boilwater 发表于 6-10-2012 05:53 PM
我们来讨论,不要理会Mark-2的分身~~

RAFALE比台風T2 强大的部份 ...

根據維基百科

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op%C3%A9ration_Harmattan

的描述, RAFALE在利比亞的HAMATTAN (意即西撒哈拉沙漠乾燥貿易風, 這裡叫貿易風行動)行動中, 13天(2011年3月19日~31日)以來並沒有遭到任何損失。

RAFALE在貿易風行動大顯神威,無需預先進行防空制壓作戰 (SEAD)就可單憑機上的SPECTRA電子戰功能對利比亞軍隊之防空能量進行干擾。

第一天就有8架RAFALE從法屬克斯嘉島 (CORSICA)上的SOLENZARA空軍基地起飛。在利比亞BENGHAZI城上空巡邏,並在當天下午時分摧毀4輛利軍坦克。

第2天, RAFALE與法空軍其他類型戰機出擊達11架次 (SORTIES)。法海軍航母戴高樂號從都倫(TOULON)啟航。

到第3天為此,法空軍對利比亞出擊量已達到55架次, 一架幻影2000D戰機據報在BENGHAZI南部100KM外摧毀一輛坦克。

第4天,法航母已抵達利比亞外海,艦上RAFALE F3型艦載戰鬥機即刻投入戰鬥, 主要任務為空中偵查及巡邏。

第5天,在SOLENZARA基地的陣風協同幻影2000D,及航母上的陣風 F3和超級軍旗攻擊機(SUPER ETENDARD)互相合作,持續在利比亞上空執行偵察及支援任務。

第6天, 陣風及幻影深入打擊,對利比亞一個距離地中海250KM的空軍基地進行轟炸,動用的武器為 英法意三國聯合研製的長程空對地導彈 SCALP EG (英國稱為暴風之影, STORM SHADOW)。射程可超過250KM,速度可達1000KM/H或馬赫0.8,導航系統為慣性導航, GPS及地形追踪.

各戰機還對利軍陸上部隊4度進行空中阻絕攻擊 (AIR INTERDICTION),陣風還使用AASM空對地導彈摧毀了1架剛降落於MISRATA的南斯拉夫制 SOKO G-2 “海鷗" 輕型攻擊教練機。

第9天,空軍及海軍的陣風攻擊了利比亞首都的黎波里 (TRIPOLI)南部的一間指揮部。 卡達爾空軍派出幻影戰機助戰。

第10天, 法國陣風及其他戰機轟炸了一間位於GHARYAN,距離首都以南100KM的軍火庫。

第11天,聯合機隊摧毀了距離TRIPOLI西南約100KM的防空導彈發射群。

第12天,聯合機隊摧毀了SIRTE以南20KM的防空導彈發射群

第13天,北約接手。 下一個作戰計劃為統一守護者行動 (OPERATION UNIFIED PROTECTOR)

完全沒有法國戰機遭擊落。反而是美軍一架F-15E因機件故障墜毀。所以使用F-15SG的新加坡空軍要當心保養了。





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 楼主| 发表于 7-10-2012 07:10 PM | 显示全部楼层
玩具熊 发表于 7-10-2012 04:41 PM
根據維基百科

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op%C3%A9ration_Harmattan


虽然不知道美法还是利比亚的说法才正确.
但是,你知道低空击中移动中的坦克,然后在短中程防空导弹的射程内全身而退意谓着甚么吗? 思考吧...

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Boilwater 发表于 7-10-2012 07:10 PM
虽然不知道美法还是利比亚的说法才正确.
但是,你知道低空击中移动中的坦克,然后在短中程防空导弹 ...

1)利用空對地導彈不需要低空飛行,就可摧毀坦克。況且當時那些坦克沒有和流動防空系統一起行動,只得任人宰割。

2)RAFALE的SPECTRA系統擁有卓越的電子戰能力,不需要SEAD任務就可以進入敵人領空狂轟亂炸。
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 楼主| 发表于 7-10-2012 08:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
玩具熊 发表于 7-10-2012 08:18 PM
1)利用空對地導彈不需要低空飛行,就可摧毀坦克。況且當時那些坦克沒有和流動防空系統一起行動,只得任人 ...

台风打坦克那段视屏高空能拍成那样?
证据在眼前,做人不要太X者啦,要不然我们的讨论就没有意义了...



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風大浪高 发表于 6-10-2012 08:52 PM
Typhoon有没有AESA还是未知数。

Rafale 就不同,有印度126架战机和法国一百几十架战斗机摊分AESA R&D开 ...


UAE的60架战机采购和阿拉伯的第二次再购已对台风T3 AESA表示了高度的兴趣!

而且,T3就快完成了!


The first Tranche 3 Typhoon is progressing through final assembly at Warton, UK.  Tranche 3 capability represents the next significant milestone in the evolution of this remarkable combat aircraft.  The fuselage, wings and undercarriage have been married up and the aircraft has been wheeled into its bay in preparation for the next stage of assembly.  Over the next few months, the fin and foreplanes will be fitted and all the systems will be married up.


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Boilwater 发表于 9-12-2012 05:39 PM
UAE的60架战机采购和阿拉伯的第二次再购已对台风T3 AESA表示了高度的兴趣!

而且,T3就快完成了!

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 楼主| 发表于 25-12-2012 08:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/152597/reftab/96/Default.aspx
Updated 25/12/2012



Defence Minister Meets MPs
KUWAIT CITY, April 18: Kuwait is to test Rafale jets in June before making a final decision on buying the French-made warplanes, the defence minister was quoted as telling MPs on Sunday.
“The defence minister told MPs that the deal is so far in the early stage of offers and making the technical assessment by the ministry,” government spokesman Mohammad Al-Baseeri told reporters outside parliament.
“These will continue until June when the plane will be tested in Kuwait,” Baseeri, also communications minister, said after Defence Minister Sheikh Jaber Mubarak Al-Sabah had talks with parliament’s interior and defence committee.
“The defence minister also pledged that the deal will not be signed before completing all constitutional and legal requirements and after the deal passes through the Audit Bureau,” Baseeri added.
The meeting came after a number of opposition MPs last week threatened to grill either the prime minister or the defence minister if the multi-billion dollar deal was signed.
The opposition MPs claimed that technical assessment by the Kuwaiti air force has recommended against the deal, saying Rafale was technically inferior to other international aircraft and more expensive.
The chief of staff of the French armed forces, Admiral Edouard Guillaud, who was in Kuwait last week, defended the Rafale as one of the best jets in the world, saying talks over the deal are proceeding in complete transparency.
He said that France has proposed that Kuwait replace its old Mirage jets with the advanced Rafale and the Kuwaiti government asked to study the offer. Last month, Sheikh Jaber said the Rafale deal remained a priority.
Signed
In October, Kuwait and France signed a new defence agreement and discussed details of the Rafale deal.
During a Gulf tour in February 2008, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said discussions had begun with Kuwait on the sale of between 14 and 28 Rafales, which are made by Dassault Aviation.
Minister of Communication and Minister of State for National Assembly Affairs Dr Mohammad Al-Baseeri affirmed on Sunday that his government did not sign the deal on the French Rafale fighter jets.
“No decision has been made so far on the deal. What is going on is just an assessment process of the unbinding offers,” the minister told reporters here.
If the technical teams of the Ministry of Defense approve the deal, the fighter jets will conduct test flights in Kuwait’s very hot skies,” Al-Baseeri said.
The deal will pass through a financial assessment in the frameworks of the legal and constitutional regulations of the State Audit Bureau (SAB), he revealed.
“Today’s meeting aimed to remove all misinformation, rumors, and direct and indirect accusations relating to the deal which we see and hear on the mass media from time to time,” he said.
Praising the MPs for their keenness on the national interests of the country, Al-Baseeri said Sheikh Jaber and his team responded to the questions of the members of the parliamentary committee “in a transparent and sufficient way.” The law-makers voiced satisfactions about the minister’s clarifications and got reassured about the soundness of the possible deal, he noted.
“The government will provide to the committee with the technical information and reports about the progress of the deal in the coming months to enable the MPs to take part in the decision making,” Al-Baseeri pledged.
“Minister affirmed he is ready to attend any meeting with the parliamentary committee before or after finalizing all technical, legal, financial and administrative procedures of the deal,” he went on to say.
Regarding the privatization bill, which was passed in the first parliamentary reading recently, the minister said some amendments would be introduced to the bill in the light of the MPs’ observations.
“The government will discuss thoroughly the observations relating to the privatization of the oil sector. If it turned out that it is in the interest of the country to exclude this sector from privatization, we’ll do so; we are not against such measure in principle,” he added.
Praised
Meanwhile, Rapporteur of the National Assembly (parliament) committee on domestic affairs and defense MP Shu’aib Al-Mowaizri praised Sheikh Jaber for his cooperation with the MPs, and understanding of their positions.
He commended today’s meeting as “a full success,” saying: “It materialized the cooperation between the government and the parliament, which we hope to continue.” Al-Mowaizri took pride in his country’s special ties with France and the other friendly nations, adding: “Whatever the ties might be, we can never yield to any kind of political pressures which are against the national interests of Kuwait.” “Sheikh Jaber and his team responded to our questions in a transparent and honest way and assured that the fighter jets would be tested in June to verify their soundness and compatibility with Kuwaiti weather,” the senior lawmaker noted.
“The number of fighters in the possible deal and the related cost have yet to be known because the deal is still in progress,” Al-Mowaizri added.
Al-Baseeri confirmed the government will meet the committee again to present the technical and financial data once the evaluation process is completed and the ministry will not sign any dubious agreement.
Lawmakers Waleed Al-Tabtabaei and Jamaan Al-Harbash expressed their satisfaction over Sheikh Mubarak’s statement, especially since the Audit Bureau will assess the deal prior to the signing. “We will reject the deal if it is overpriced no matter how good it is,” he asserted.
Meanwhile, Al-Harbash stated that although the meeting was “positive and fruitful”, the ministry did not present one out of four already-completed technical reports to the committee.  
“The ministry has not also replied to my questions on two pilots who were dismissed from the evaluation committee after submitting a negative opinion on the Rafale jet that they tested in France,” he told the reporters.
Al-Harbash, who spearheaded attacks on Sheikh Mubarak and accused the latter of signing the “suspicious” deal, pointed out the lack of response and reports from the ministry led to more questions, but the minister has vowed to provide the required data and reinstate the two pilots to the committee.




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发表于 26-12-2012 11:44 PM | 显示全部楼层
有一些人越踩阵风  阵风就越有进步   最近又带来好消息   没有转黑

不过  我还是支持FC1
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 楼主| 发表于 26-12-2012 11:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
kiatbeng 发表于 26-12-2012 11:44 PM
有一些人越踩阵风  阵风就越有进步   最近又带来好消息   没有转黑

不过  我还是支持FC ...

对不起!
害你失望了。。。


Updated on: 26/12/2012



Kuwait denies discussing with France ‘Rafale’ deals

KCCI delegation meets French businessmen


PARIS, April 17, (Agencies): Kuwait Friday denied as “baselsss” reports published by news agencies that the Gulf state was discussing the purchase of 28 French Rafale jetfighters.
The reports “suggesting that Kuwait was discussing the purchase of 28 Rafale aircraft are baseless and we deny it,” said an official source, accompanying His Highness the Prime Minister Sheikh Nasser Mohammad Al-Sabah in his visit to Paris.
The visit of His Highness the Prime Minister of Kuwait Sheikh Nasser Al-Mohammad Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah to France will serve to boost economic relations between the two countries, said Kuwait’s Minister of Commerce and Industry Ahmad Al-Haroun on Saturday.
Al-Haroun told KUNA that Sheikh Nasser affirmed to members of the French industrialist union that Kuwait was open to French investors, adding that Kuwaiti companies were willing to pursue business ventures with their French counterparts.

His Highness Sheikh Nasser briefed the French industrialist representatives about the business opportunities provided by the companies in Kuwait, said the minister.
The French industrialist union has around 800,000 members with most members representing major French companies.
Meanwhile, Thierry Courtaigne, deputy chairman of the union, lauded the Kuwaiti role in economic development, telling KUNA that French companies working in Kuwait were well aware of the Gulf state’s economic contributions at the Arab and international levels.
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发表于 27-12-2012 12:01 AM | 显示全部楼层
kiatbeng 发表于 26-12-2012 11:44 PM
有一些人越踩阵风  阵风就越有进步   最近又带来好消息   没有转黑

不过  我还是支持FC ...

我知道是什么新闻了  有人以为你在说科威特的事情呢  他接受讯息能力很有问题  没有素质  只会缅怀旧新闻活在过去    你说得对   阵风如今又走红了  阵风加油   我是阵风的纷丝
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发表于 27-12-2012 12:09 AM | 显示全部楼层
還珠格格 发表于 27-12-2012 12:01 AM
我知道是什么新闻了  有人以为你在说科威特的事情呢  他接受讯息能力很有问题  没有素质  只会缅怀旧 ...

哇哈哈哈哈哈哈  有人自己打自己的嘴巴  
这个世界上  果真有人喜欢自愚  自己发出消息自己打自己的嘴巴
人家说的是另一个好消息  有人真的不知道
来佳礼是自娱  不是来自愚的

我不支持阵风  不过阵风这一次的成功  我就事论事的得说句祝贺
因为我永远爱FC1
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发表于 27-12-2012 11:00 PM | 显示全部楼层
阵风上周取得重大有意义的进展   这个消息通天了

不过  我比较希望FC1在马来西亚赢
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