有关反击Apache的方法

gsck

先说明，不是针对谁，只是想了解更多而已。。

请问，在没有战斗机和武装直升机的情况下。。

如何反击Apache？

宁静交友

2003年的伊拉克战争不是有一架被Ak-47射下来？
是不是真的啊？
呵呵

machi_gege

我建议你看Rambo的戏。或Black Hawk Down

alaves23

用stinger不知道可以嗎？

alaves23

原帖由 machi_gege 于 1-12-2005 12:24 AM 发表
我建议你看Rambo的戏。或Black Hawk Down

拜托
Rambo的M-60有unlimited ammo

BHD的UH-60根本不及Apache的一半，就裝甲和速度或火力來説

dinoo

Apache 巡航速度145mile/hour，约64.44 m/s;
stinger大概在2.2倍音速，估计750 m/s，相信其他国家造的便携飞弹也不会差太多。

武装直升机对付坦克的确是很厉害的杀手，不过个人觉得它的作用因为受到不断进步的单兵肩抗式地空导弹的威胁已经大大减弱了。低空，低速，即使成功击毁一辆战车，本身也会因为暴露目标而被单兵的地空导弹锁定，料难逃厄运，而梦想的所谓一架Apache具有摧毁一个营坦克的美事估计也要出事未捷身先死了。这种闭死无疑的战绩估计没有人会想要。

何况依先进战机发展趋势，武装直升机做为所谓的战车杀手的作用也越来越象鸡肋了。

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chiew2005

不好意思噢，Apache 是什么东东？

gsck

AH-64A/D APACHE ATTACK HELICOPTER, USA



The Apache is a twin-engined army attack helicopter developed by McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing). It entered service with the US Army in 1984 and has been exported to Egypt, Greece, Israel, the Netherlands, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and the United Kingdom. The US Army has more than 800 Apaches in service and more than 1,000 have been exported. The Apache was first used in combat in 1989 in the US military action in Panama. It was used in Operation Desert Storm and has supported low intensity and peacekeeping operations worldwide including Turkey, Bosnia and Kosovo. The AH-64D Longbow has been deployed by the US Army in Afghanistan as part of Operation Anaconda, in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom and, from June 2003, in South Korea.

The AH-64D Longbow is fitted with the Longbow millimetre wave fire control radar and the Longbow Hellfire missile. 500 AH-64Ds have been delivered and 380 are in service with the US Army out of a total of 501 procured - 232 new build and 269 US Army AH-64A Apaches being upgraded to AH-64D standard. Deliveries are to complete in 2006. The Longbow has also been ordered by the Netherlands (30, deliveries complete), Singapore (20, first delivered in May 2002), Israel (designated "Seraph", nine new, nine remanufactured, first delivered April 2005) and Egypt (35). A number of AH-64A helicopters have been upgraded to AH-64D standard for South Korea. The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has requested the upgrade of 30 Apaches to AH-64D longbow standard.

In August 2001, the AH-64D was selected by the Japanese Ground Self-Defence Force, with a requirement for 60 helicopters, and in September 2002, Kuwait ordered 16 AH-64D helicopters for delivery from 2005. The Kuwaiti Apaches will be equipped with BAE Systems HIDAS defensive aids system. In September 2003, Greece signed a contract for 12 (plus four options) AH-64D Longbow, also to be fitted with HIDAS.

The first of the upgraded Block II Apaches was delivered to the US Army in February 2003. Block II includes upgrades to the digital communications systems to improve communications within the "tactical internet". Block III improvements, slated for 2008 on, include increasing digitisation, the Joint Tactical Radio System, enhanced engines and drive systems, capability to control UAVs and new composite rotor blade. The new blades, which successfully completed flight testing in May 2004, increase the Apache's cruise speed, climb rate and payload capability.

WAH 64
A consortium of GKN Westland (now AgustaWestland), Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Shorts bid a version of the Longbow Apache for the UK Army attack helicopter requirement which was selected in July 1995. Assembly of the WAH-64 Longbow Apache was carried out in the UK by AgustaWestland. The first helicopter entered service in January 2001 designated as the AH Mk 1. 67 helicopters have been delivered - the last was formally handed over at the Farnborough Air Show in July 2004. Initial Operating Capability was achieved in October 2004, and in May 2005 the first of three Army Air Corps regiments of 18 helicopters was declared fully operational. The other two regiments are expected to be fully operational by 2007.

WEAPONS

A 30mm automatic Boeing M230 Chain Gun is located under the fuselage. It provides a rate of fire of 625 rounds per minute. The helicopter has capacity for up to 1,200 rounds of ammunition.

The AH-64D is armed with the Lockheed Martin/Boeing AGM-114D Longbow Hellfire air-to-surface missile which has a millimetre wave seeker, allowing the missile to perform in full fire and forget mode. Range is 8km to 12km. The Apache can be equipped with air-to-air missiles (Stinger, AIM-9 Sidewinder, Mistral and Sidearm) and the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS), formerly known as Hydra, family of guided and unguided 70mm rockets.

British Army AH Mk 1 helicopters are armed with the CRV7 70mm rocket system from Bristol Aerospace of Winnipeg, Manitoba.

The Longbow Apache carries the combination of armaments chosen for the particular mission. In the close support role the helicopter carries 16 Hellfire missiles on four 4-rail launchers and four air-to-air missiles.

SENSORS

The AH-64D Longbow Apache is equipped with the Northrop Grumman millimetre-wave Longbow radar. The Longbow fire control radar incorporates an integrated radar frequency interferometer for passive location and identification of radar emitting threats. An advantage of millimetre wave is that it performs under poor visibility conditions and is less sensitive to ground clutter. The short wavelength allows a very narrow beamwidth which is resistant to countermeasures.

The Longbow Apache can effect an attack in thirty seconds. The radar dome is unmasked for a single radar scan and then remasked. The processors determine the location, speed and direction of travel of a maximum of 256 targets.

The Target Acquisition Designation Sight, TADS (AN/ASQ-170) and the Pilot Night Vision Sensor, PNVS (AN/AAQ-11) were developed by Lockheed Martin. The turret-mounted TADS provides direct view optics, television and three fields of view forward looking infra-red (FLIR) to carry out search, detection and recognition and Litton laser rangefinder/designator. PNVS consists of a FLIR in a rotating turret located on the nose above the TADS. The image from the PNVS is displayed in the monocular eyepiece of the Honeywell Integrated Helmet And Display Sighting System (IHADSS) worn by the pilot and copilot/gunner.

Lockheed Martin has developed a new targeting and night vision system for the Apaches, using second-generation long-wave infrared sensors with improved range and resolution. The new system is called Arrowhead and it has a targeting FLIR with three fields of view, a dual field-of-view pilotage FLIR, a CCD TV camera, electronic zoom, target tracker and auto-boresight. Arrowhead entered production in December 2003 and the first unit was delivered to the US Army in May 2005. 704 US Army Apaches are to be equipped with Arrowhead by 2011.

A contract to equip the UK AH Mk1 helicopters with Arrowhead was placed in May 2005. Deliveries are scheduled for between 2009-10.

COUNTERMEASURES

The Apache is equipped with an electronic warfare suite consisting of: AN/APR-39A(V) radar warning receiver from Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) and Lockheed Martin; AN/ALQ-144 infra-red countermeasures set from BAE Systems IEWS (formerly Sanders, a Lockheed Martin company); AN/AVR-2 laser warning receiver from Goodrich (formerly Hughes Danbury Optical Systems then Raytheon); AN/ALQ-136(V) radar jammer developed by ITT; and chaff dispensers. US Army Longbow Apaches were to be fitted with the ITT AN/ALQ-211 SIRCM (Suite of Integrated Radio Frequency Countermeasures) suite, however the availability of funding for this project is uncertain. UK AH Mk 1 Apaches are fitted with BAE Systems Helicopter Integrated Defensive Aids Suite (HIDAS), also chosen by Kuwait and Greece. HIDAS, which includes the Sky Guardian 2000 radar warning receiver, entered service on the AH Mk 1 in July 2003.

ENGINES

The Apache is equipped with two turboshaft engines each providing 1,265kW. The American AH-64D has General Electric T700-GE-701 engines and the UK Apache is fitted with RTM322 engines from Rolls-Royce/Turbomeca.





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TidalForce

原帖由 chiew2005 于 1-12-2005 02:31 PM 发表
不好意思噢，Apache 是什么东东？

APACHE 是种武装攻击反坦克直升机。







可配有16枚，射程多达12公里HELLFIRE反坦克飞弹，和其他多种武器。

优点是，隐蔽能力强，速度快，多功能日夜长程目标探测，同步追踪多目标并与其他单位进行联合，综合和多面攻击。

注意：APACHE 只适归拥有庞大空军势力和先进高科技军事技术的国家使用，因为只有拥有制空权和能够掌握先进技术的军队，才能全面发挥APACHE的潜能。

gsck

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Craven83

原帖由 TidalForce 于 1-12-2005 06:20 PM 发表


APACHE 是种武装攻击反坦克直升机。



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TIDAL兄对APACHE在第二次波斯湾战争中失利有什么看法？

TidalForce

原帖由 Craven83 于 1-12-2005 06:38 PM 发表




TIDAL兄对APACHE在第二次波斯湾战争中失利有什么看法？

我并不认为APACHE在海湾战争中失利，在战场上折损几架APACHE是预料中的事，毕竟任何武器，包括APACHE都不是无敌的，它门各自负责己身任务，是美军总体上的一部分。

如果说APACHE在海湾战争中失利，那么，也意味了美军总体上的失败，可是美军不仅没败，甚至还在令人难以置信的速度，将一个拥有多年战争经验的军事强国彻底击败。

从武器方面，APACHE无可否认，确实是一等一的现代，高科技武器的典范，并且也会继续与时并进，进行改良，使APACHE继续受到重用。

可是，往往，无知的人，一味只看到APACHE被击落，却忽略了在海湾战中，APACHE为美军立下不少功劳，摧毁了数百架敌战车，由此，大幅度减少美军伤亡，功不可抹。为美军当先锋，为其陆军的地面进攻作战铺平道路。

当然，APACHE难免也有其可圈可点之处，尤其在APACHE作战运用方面，可能需要稍微修改，但是，这是策略上的人为错误，与APACHE的实力无关。相信美军在战后，会细心钻研从海湾战争所得到的资料，并从中吸取教训，为美军在下一个战争中收取回报。

自海湾战争后，甚至连中国（原本没有武装直生机）也意识到了武装直升机，在现代战场上的重要性，并也积极，不惜代价，采用外国科技，开发类似直升机。

由此可见，日后战场上，如APACHE的武装直升机，仍然会扮演重要角色。

[ 本帖最后由 TidalForce 于 1-12-2005 10:35 PM 编辑 ]

Craven83

原帖由 TidalForce 于 1-12-2005 10:22 PM 发表


我并不认为APACHE在海湾战争中失利，在战场上折损几架APACHE是预料中的事，毕竟任何武器，包括APACHE都不是无敌的，它门各自负责己身任务，是美军总体上的一部分。

如果说APACHE在海湾战争中失利，那么，也 ...

APACHE在第一次海湾战争中确实立下了不少汗马功劳，227架APACHE在100小时以内发射了近3000枚地狱火反坦克导弹，击毁了近800台坦克和装甲车，450台其他车辆和无数的防空阵地，其战果之辉煌是无可质疑的，问题就在与美国军方似乎对APACHE的定位有点模糊，也可能因为如此美国军方对APACHE太信心了，导致在2003年的第二次海湾战争时出现几起悲剧。。。

2003年3月24日晚间，第11航空团所属的32架APACHE在原本准备扫除部署在KARBALA伊军的防御，但是遭受到猛烈的防空炮火，32架APACHE里面有31架被击伤，一架未能返航，另外一架则在降落时坠毁，其余的则损伤惨重。。。

当年阿富汗的ANACONDA OPERATION时也是一样，虽然全数返航，但是８架里面有超过5架报销了，以上这几个例子来看不难发现美国军方在似乎已经将APACHE定位成能深入攻击的独立单位，因为从AH-64D的毫米波雷达的设计来看其实它本身的设计也是要凸显深入攻击的特点，因为毫米波雷达只能辨别出是不是坦克，但并不能有效的辨认是敌我，但这样的设计又和攻击直升机的性能之间出现了很大的矛盾，在低速低空，如果再加上没有地形的掩护的情况下深入攻击的话会让APACHE暴露在敌方的防空阵地，小口径武器和单兵防空武器（包括RPG）而造成伤亡。。。同样的情况如果利用战机来执行任务的话成功率反而比较高，所以个人认为武装直升机还是局限在CLOSE AIR SUPPORT会比较恰当，TIDAL兄认为呢？

alaves23

大家在讚揚Apache時候也請不要離題哦

很想知道什麽樣的武器能把這個怪物打下來

TidalForce

原帖由 Craven83 于 2-12-2005 01:00 AM 发表


APACHE在第一次海湾战争中确实立下了不少汗马功劳，227架APACHE在100小时以内发射了近3000枚地狱火反坦克导弹，击毁了近800台坦克和装甲车，450台其他车辆和无数的防空阵地，其战果之辉煌是无可质疑的，问题就 ...

从另一个角度来看，APACHE的防小型枪械设计和装甲，果然了不起。若是其他直升机，恐怕老早全军覆没了。

对于您的看法，其实与我相差不远，总的来说，武器终就是武器，如运用不当，不考虑敌我双方多因素，那么再先进的武器，难免也得折腰。

相信美军会从中得到教训，以便日后避免再学一次。

leevihua

喔~  今天又上了一課! 多謝各位!

阿火

高射炮？或任何anti-air missle不可以嗎？

宁静交友

想问问一下
这个Apache,对天气会。。。。“敏感”吗？
好像大风大雨也可以照样飞行？
还是一定要在晴天的情况下飞行？


And

这种直升机适合任何气候吗？
热？冷？

machi_gege

其实，有很多方法。。。
可用RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade),像那些黑人在Black Hawk Down的戏里用的。。。但你要有建筑物为Cover，如果在沙漠，那你就完蛋！！！

或

可用SAM (Surface To Air Misile)

但是，两种方法也有缺点，就是。。。
当你在Tracking Apache的Heat Signal时，他们都会有Warning Indicator，然后使用Evasive Action或用Counter Measure（如果他有装这Feature）。

最好的方法，就是。。。。。

放个青色的Hulk去搞掂。。。在戏中，虽然不是Apache,但他也打倒几辆Comanche。。。

pfg1group

看了以上得很多回复. 发现很多人好像不太清楚APACHE.
个人认为, 你如果要打下一样武器, 最重要的, 不是那样武器的hardware properties, 而是那样武器在战术上的应用, war tactics.

这个网址让我们看看APACHE的应用.
APACHE 在战场上的应用