林吉祥宣布，将不会出席以后的任何民联领导层会议

Bernard@cari

http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2014 ... ly-special-meeting/

No point in my attending any future PR Presidential Council meetings if PAS pushes for implementation of hudud in December 29 Kelantan State Assembly special meeting      
                                    
I fully endorse what the Selangor Mentri Besar and PKR Deputy President Azmin Ali said yesterday, that hudud is not a common policy of Pakatan Rakyat, hence PAS should bring the issue to the Pakatan Rakyat presidential council for discussion.

Azmin referred to the September 28, 2011 meeting of Pakatan Rakyat Presidential Council at the PAS Headquarters attended by over 30 top leaders of DAP, PKR and PAS, which was also attended the then DAP National Chairman, Karpal Singh, and Kelantan exco members, and the consensus was that hudud was not part of PR joint common policy framework until all parties agreed to it.

As Azmin said: “If there is any new opinion or suggestion, it has to be brought back to the original consensus which was agreed among Pakatan, meaning that it has to go back to Pakatan’s presidential council.”

But PAS has never brought this matter to Pakatan’s presidential council.

In fact, the headline of The Malaysian Insider report on the Sept. 28, 2011 PR Presidential Council meeting was: “Pakatan: Hudud only if all parties agree.”

If the PR Presidential Council had not reached the consensus on Sept. 28, 2011 that hudud was not common PR policy and that PAS would not unilaterally push for the implementation of hudud without the consensus of all PR parties, three things would have happened:

1. PAS would have continued to push for the implementation of hudud regardless of  the views of DAP and PKR.

2. Pakatan Rakyat would have disintegrated.

3. UMNO/Barisan Nasional would not have become a minority government with only 47% of the popular vote – in fact it would have regained  the two-thirds parliamentary majority it lost in the 2008 General Elections.

It is shocking that there are PAS leaders who are claiming that there is nothing wrong in misleading Malaysian voters in the 13th General Elections in May last year to support Pakatan Rakyat and PAS candidates and yet renege after the general elections on the undertaking  that PAS will comply with the PR common policy framework and would not unilaterally push for the implementation of hudud without the agreement of the three PR component parties.
Kelantan Deputy Mentri Besar Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah has said that winning Putrajaya will come second to the implementation of hudud,  that it is only the means to an end!

I am not sanguine that the Kelantan State Assembly special sitting on Dec. 29 can guarantee that PAS will be returned to power in the next general election, as what could be sacrificed as a result of PAS reneging on its undertaking to PR and the Malaysian voters would be both Putrajaya and the Kelantan State Government.  But we have to await the 14th General Elections to see the full impact of the consequences.

DAP leaders have agreed to disagree with PAS leaders on the issue of hudud because we believe we are on the same page to want to promote justice, freedom, democracy, good governance, incorruptibility and moderation in Malaysia.

We believe that we are honest politicians who will not use devious and dishonest means to mislead and cheat voters to vote for PR candidates under false pretences.

As I said yesterday, the December 29 Kelantan State Assembly special sitting to implement hudud will be a point of no return for both Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat.

If certain UMNO leaders, like certain PAS leaders, can act unilaterally and arbitrarily to act against the founding principles of Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat by devious and dishonest means, then it is doomsday not only for Pakatan Rakyat but also Barisan Nasional.

If the Kelantan State Assembly special meeting to push through the implementation of hudud, which even the PAS Central Committee is unaware of, is held, I see no purpose in my attending any future Pakatan Rakyat Presidential Council meetings, and I leave it to the party to decide on its next course of action.

这是否意味着DAP差不多要退出民联了？林吉祥不出席，林冠英会出席吗？若29日后火箭真的宣布退出民联，蓝眼会与火箭共进退吗，还是会因为执政利用价值而继续倾向月亮？

s2143

现在pas是死赖不走。如果pas在吉兰丹硬要推行，还真没有谁可以阻挡他，吉兰丹又没有行动党的州议席，连公正党议席也没几个。但，他推行之后，下一届大选可能输到pk，留在民联只会拖衰民联，感觉是污桶也不要他，而且希望他们继续留在民联拖衰民联。伊斯兰党现在根本是烫手山芋，要怎么处理是民联现在最大的挑战

Barryliaozs

林吉祥有影响力但其实他在火箭没有党职,他出席与否也没关系,他只要幕后继续遥控即可。

jiunnlim2

林伯伯这回很有骨气的说

希望年轻的学学，还有不会虎头蛇尾

zaqre

把PAS剔除的話，長遠來說，可能對民聯更有利

bashlyner

林吉祥不出席影响还不大，哈迪阿旺是主席，他缺席才是个大麻烦

carinoob

老林为何这时非裂民联，你叫倒米兵跟全家投伊党的情何以堪。

DenKhoo

我想看到的是眼睛和火箭都离开，留下Pakatan Rakyat一个空壳给月亮，他们爱怎么叫由他们，也可以叫PASkatan Rakyat。

眼睛和火箭另外自立门户，少了这个回教法的包袱，可能会吸引更多的中庸选民的支持，重新开始真正民主的改革。

再多5年10年，忠心的老伊党员会归西，剩下的年轻人多数不信回教法这一套。
伊党连输掉Trengganu和Kedah，看他们没有友党的支持，和一意孤行落实回教法，吉兰丹能撑多久？

tanxinrong

老林，你这样老天师会不开心的。

lumixcer

让他搞个够吧。。反正没湾转了，他把伊法施与非穆斯林身上就仆他的臭街。。

Ragnarok026

自己造的孽，遲早要付出代價的。
騎劫人民改朝換代的意願來推行自己的議程，這種背叛行為，PAS消失也只是時間問題。

我很傻

s2143 发表于 24-12-2014 06:16 AM
现在pas是死赖不走。如果pas在吉兰丹硬要推行，还真没有谁可以阻挡他，吉兰丹又没有行动党的州议席，连公正 ...

要回教党来帮忙消灭巫统，既然帮不上忙，那就让他消灭。

我很傻

这一宣布，马华又没戏唱了。唱包围议会又唱不出了。

cyberjaye

JowY 发表于 24-12-2014 03:26 PM
林吉祥也加入“中立”了

@cyberjaye ，快拖這位中立出去砍手砍腳跺咕咕

XX了？
林吉祥有发表马来文章，说给马来人听投回教党火箭或PKR. 马来西亚不会变基督国。
Cari的中立有吗？

Longan

公正党也很难选边站.
一路来扮演着中间人的角色, 现在没了.
不投靠火箭混合区难打, 不投靠hudud党乡下区难打.
但最大的输家还是人民...

cyberjaye

@車掌先生

"快拖這位中立出去砍手砍腳跺咕咕"
@车掌先生  14楼请处理

s2143

jiunnlim2 发表于 24-12-2014 02:29 PM
林伯伯这回很有骨气的说

希望年轻的学学，还有不会虎头蛇尾

行动党之前都讲了不会为了要赢的大选而妥协。
看来不久肯定要有大事发生

JowY

民聯的 agree to disagree 原則本來就是大問題

“我們的共識就是沒有共識，大家也尊重這個共識” - 政治是不能這樣搞的

這一天終于也都到了

這課題 RPK 這些年都沒有說錯，卻一直被當成是偽中立，呵呵

bashlyner

如果是行动党退出民联变成第三势力，老天师应该怎么说呢？骂行动党分散民联的选票？

不过行动党退出也有个好处，根据比烂的原则，只要比公正党更好的话就不会被人骂了