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Ceramic BB 真的是Ceramic 做的吗 ?

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发表于 28-8-2013 05:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
xxman 发表于 28-8-2013 05:13 PM
Token ,Chrisking

这种应该是ceramic吧
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发表于 28-8-2013 05:58 PM | 显示全部楼层
xxman 发表于 28-8-2013 05:07 PM
你有看过BB 有用Ceramic Bearing 的吗 ? 什么牌子,bearing 是Half Ceramic ,还是Full Ceramic {:quest ...

Ceramic Speed。。。但是价钱很贵。。。是不是full ceramic,这没研究。。。
http://ceramicspeed.com/sport/cycling/
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发表于 28-8-2013 06:38 PM | 显示全部楼层
我有卖工业的通常都是珠子是ceramic吧了,cnc机通常都用,因为高转速,轻和耐热。
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发表于 29-8-2013 12:32 AM | 显示全部楼层
我的鱼较有4粒boca ceramicbearings。。。脚车就没有。。
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 楼主| 发表于 29-8-2013 11:57 AM | 显示全部楼层
Aikman 发表于 28-8-2013 06:38 PM
我有卖工业的通常都是珠子是ceramic吧了,cnc机通常都用,因为高转速,轻和耐热。

Ceramic 的珠子是不是白色的?还是有什么其他颜色的
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 楼主| 发表于 29-8-2013 12:03 PM | 显示全部楼层
骑士666 发表于 28-8-2013 05:19 PM
这种应该是ceramic吧

这是什么品牌的BB ,那一部分是Ceramic的呢,黑色珠子是Ceramic 吗?


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发表于 29-8-2013 12:38 PM | 显示全部楼层
xxman 发表于 29-8-2013 12:03 PM
这是什么品牌的BB ,那一部分是Ceramic的呢,黑色珠子是Ceramic 吗?

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一般所谓的ceramic应该都是指它的珠子吧所以从照片来看应该珠子是ceramic呱

那你看过CK的珠子是怎样的


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发表于 29-8-2013 01:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
xxman 发表于 29-8-2013 12:03 PM
这是什么品牌的BB ,那一部分是Ceramic的呢,黑色珠子是Ceramic 吗?

黑色陶瓷ball bearing,看起来象弄到黑油的钢珠。

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm? ... mp;initiative_new=1


SHIMANNO中轴BB改陶瓷轴承(陶瓷培林/XTR-BB)XTR-HTBB陶瓷BB


http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.250.5B5fix&id=14615755334




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 楼主| 发表于 29-8-2013 06:35 PM | 显示全部楼层
mixie 发表于 29-8-2013 01:01 PM
黑色陶瓷ball bearing,看起来象弄到黑油的钢珠。

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.13 ...

这好像不是XTR 原装的Bearing 这好像是自己换Ceramic Bearing 的,我开这个贴是要求证,市场上很多脚车店都说Ceramic BB 很滑很耐用,对! Ceramic Bearing 确实真的比钢珠Bearing强,但是不是市场上的Ceramic Bottom Bracket (BB) 的Bearing 珠子真的是Ceramic 的材料。

Token 官方网站 !!Tiramic BB 的 Bearing 讲解 ,Bearing 外圈Race和内圈Cone是Titanium Coating的,内外圈的材料还是钢铁 !! 有说到珠子是Ceramic 材料做的。而隔离珠子的是Nylon 材料 !!              

1. Patent Tiramic Bearings
   - Tiramic Bearings: A patented product of Token Products Inc. that is composed of a set of Titanium
      coated bearing race & cone, combined with solid ceramic balls & Kluber lubricant.
   - Patent No.: M304599

2. TBT Distinctive Mark
   - All Token Products equipped with Tiramic Bearings carry a distinctive "TBT" Sticker or
     Laser Etched Logo
   - Token Products equipped with Tiramic Bearings include: Hubs, Integrated BB, ISIS Drive BB, Square BB,
      Rear Derailleur Pulley, Headset

3. Tiramic Bearing Technology (TBT)
    - Non-Corrosive
    - Weight Reduction: Ceramic Balls are 60% Lighter than Steel Balls
    - Durability: Lifetime 5~10X Longer than Steel Balls
    - Accelerate Faster: Speed Increase Approaching 4%
    - Smooth Rolling: Ceramic Balls are Rounder and Smoother than Steel Balls
    - Low Friction: To keep momentum
    - Less Vibration: Resulting in a smooth ride
    - Resistant to Contamination

4. Token Tiramic Bearing Grease: TK400
    TK400 is a combination of ester oil, synthetic hydrocarbon oil, mineral oil and Barium complex soap.
    This combination makes it an excellent lubricant for rolling   bearings and can be easily applied
     by brush, spatula, grease gun or cartridge. It has a service temperature range of -40°C-130°C
     with a Kl ber viscosity grade of M.
     All these characteristics make TK400 the perfect complement to Token's Tiramic Bearings.
    - Increased Corrosion Protection
    - Superior Resistance to Environmental Elements
    - Increased Resistance to Mechanical and Chemical Induced Corrosion
    - Excellent Load-Carrying Capacity
    - Improved Sealing Effect

5. Reinforced, stabilized nylon cage
    The ball cage is made of heat stabilized nylon with 33% fill short fiberglass reinforcement
    for added strength.The nylon material provides a natural lubricity for longer life.
    Fiberglass reinforcement allows higher operating temperatures than plain nylon,
    yet is more resistant to fatigue than metallic cages. Short fiberglass allows greater
    flexibility than steel or normal fiberglass, especially under misalignment.
    That means longer life in mounted bearings where some degree of misalignment
    is unavoidably encountered.

6. Dual lip labyrinthian low-friction seal
    This special designed seals keep the grease inside the bearing and prevent dust and/or water
    from getting in.
    The light-contact type seal has a high-quality water proof function with extremely low friction.
    Resulting in smooth clean rolling, longer lasting lower maintenance bearings.

7. Ceramic Balls
    - Ceramic Ball Characteristics
    - Composition: Si3N4
    - Density: 3.2g/cm3
    - Vickers: 1700~2700kg/mm2
    - Bending Strength: 3500Mpa
    - Thermal Expansion coefficient: 3.2x10-6/°C
    - Resistance: >1014Ω.cm
    - Deviation from Spherical Form 0.13 μm
    - Surface Roughness(μm Ra) 0.020 and better
    - Grade 5 Balls

    Sizes of Ceramic Balls available:
    - 1/16", 3/32", 1/8", 5/32", 3/16", 7/32", 1/4"

8. Titanium Coating (Races)
    - Hardness : HV2800~3000 kg/mm2
    - Low Friction Coefficient
    - Extremely strong adhesion method: molecular bond to substrate metal
    - Titanium coating thickness: 3μm (0.000118"
    - Able to withstand temperatures up to 600°C (1,100°F) in air.
    - Resistant to corrosion and chemical impurities
    - Non-toxic
    - Metallic gold appearance
    - Fatigue resistant

9. Tiramic Bearing comments from Athletes
    "I began using Token's Tiramic Bearing Pulleys in the spring of 09' Since then I have had no
     issue with them.The Tiramic Bearings do make a noticeable difference in reducing chain
     drag when compared to other pulleys I have used. They spin incredibly freely, shed dirt
     and grime better than others. Thanks to their design they always catch stares from
     other riders. A truly outstanding product and well worth the nominal investment."
     Jeff Irwin - Pro mountain bike racer, Gunnison, Colorado USA

10. The Comparison Chart of Starting Torque & Turning Torque between Normal Bearings &
      Tiramic Bearings.
       Starting Torque:
      - Normal Bearing is 0.27
      - Tiramic Bearing is 0.20
      - The rate = 0.20/0.27*100% = 74%
      This means that the Starting Torque of Tiramic Bearing is only 74% of Normal Bearing.
     That's why you can get "Lighter Pedaling".

     Turing Torque:
     - The Normal Bearing is 0.15
     - Tiramic Bearing is 0.10
     - The rate = 0.10/0.15*100% = 67%
     This means that the Turing Torque of Tiramic Bearing is only 67% of Normal Bearing.
     That's why you can get "More Smooth Running".






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发表于 29-8-2013 06:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
xxman 发表于 29-8-2013 06:35 PM
这好像不是XTR 原装的Bearing 这好像是自己换Ceramic Bearing 的,我开这个贴是要求证,市 ...

Ceramic有白色和黑色的。。。有空我丢几粒给你研究。。。

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 楼主| 发表于 29-8-2013 06:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
3. Tiramic Bearing Technology (TBT)
    - Non-Corrosive
结论:珠子ceramic 不会生锈,但内外圈Race和Cone还是会生锈
   - Weight Reduction: Ceramic Balls are 60% Lighter than Steel Balls
结论:10 -16 粒的钢珠才不到10g ,轻60% 可以省几gram呢

    - Durability: Lifetime 5~10X Longer than Steel Balls
结论:Ceramic珠子比较比较耐用,但钢铁的内外圈还不是一样寿命,进了水还是会生锈
    - Accelerate Faster: Speed Increase Approaching 4%
    - Smooth Rolling: Ceramic Balls are Rounder and Smoother than Steel Balls
    - Low Friction: To keep momentum
结论:我们Crank的圈速1分钟才60-100的圈速,不像机器一样,一分钟可以达到几十千的圈速,你认为用在我们他的Crankset会有很多的帮助吗?而这60-100的圈速有几个骑士可以做到呢
    - Less Vibration: Resulting in a smooth ride
    - Resistant to Contamination

本帖最后由 xxman 于 29-8-2013 07:10 PM 编辑

Bearing 爆了,内外圈生锈了

Bearing 爆了,内外圈生锈了

这就是所谓的Tiramic BB (Titanium Coating+ Ceramic Ball)

这就是所谓的Tiramic BB (Titanium Coating+ Ceramic Ball)
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发表于 29-8-2013 11:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
xxman 发表于 29-8-2013 06:35 PM
这好像不是XTR 原装的Bearing 这好像是自己换Ceramic Bearing 的,我开这个贴是要求证,市 ...

没错,那个是他们自己改的,RMB390 一对。
作法跟你的一样。

单单bearing也有, RMB238一对。
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm? ... ogid=p291302243d9b3


diy bearing press, 但你也已经破解了。




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发表于 29-8-2013 11:23 PM | 显示全部楼层
xxman 发表于 29-8-2013 06:54 PM
3. Tiramic Bearing Technology (TBT)
    - Non-Corrosive
结论:珠子ceramic 不会生锈, ...

token 这个多少钱?

珠子直接在BB casing 滚?不是seal bearing?

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