自发动功

华侨

May I know sifu learn this 自发动功 from where? how long? Initial i learnit from Prof. Lin's book for 1 year & now learn Yang Shen Gong(same concept).

I found that this qi gong concept is so interesting & benefits is great. Hope all of us apply this qi gong...
WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 09:59 AM

我练的不是自发功，是周天功类为主，自发动只是副产品。
少年时代练过武术內功和因是子静坐法，中年时才练周天功出现自发功。

Yang Shen Gong = 阳神功?什么道派的?

WANAKA

回复 39# 华侨


    2) 内气不足  3)不想动

These 2 factors are most important issue made them can't move, wil they still benefit even not move? I saw majority still easyly get sick(ying yang not balance).

Usually after 3 years majority will give up Zhi Fa Gong just because they feel no movement at all...
灌气的作用只是暂时的，长远之计还得靠自练长功才行

For old age have to transmit qi to them, otherwise they easyly get bored & give up....
They still get pain here & there, qi is not strong for them as sifu said.
可改练动功
Dong gong for old age difficult because is not easy to learn "Tai Chi Guan" too many steps & need to stand long hours..

In conclusion, i suggest that those can't move under Zhi Fa Gong must get someone strong qi to "start his/her internal engine) after 1st move is very easy to start later..

WANAKA

回复 40# 华侨


    yes agreed. But self turning is most difficult part that may get hurt if out of control, must get someone to guard.
Half way stop will suffer because qi is still moving.

顺其自然 is best way.

WANAKA

回复 41# 华侨


    Yes majority qi gong at high level only come out 自发功
Because 99% qi gong now is qi intention (有为功) wheas
自发功 is 无为功.

Whatever qi gong all end up with 无为功.

Yang Sheng Gong is 丘處機 - 龍門派 Dao Jia.
They have 2 major form of qi gong practice.

1) Free float= 自发功
2) Form= with steps

华侨

回复  华侨


    2) 内气不足  3)不想动

These 2 factors are most important issue made them can't move, wil theystill benefit even not move? I saw majority still easyly get sick(yingyang not balance).

Usually after 3 years majority will give up Zhi Fa Gong just because they feel no movement at all...
WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 01:05 PM

练静功没出现自发功的贯通任督二脉后就开始调理阴阳，通了十二正经就差不多阴阳平衡，寻常咳嗽感冒都难侵，就是染上了也將被排出体外。

当然，因为以自发功为号召却练不出功，肯呆三年已十分忠坚了!常人不出十天就走掉了。

回复  华侨

灌气的作用只是暂时的，长远之计还得靠自练长功才行

For old age have to transmit qi to them, otherwise they easyly get bored & give up....
They still get pain here & there, qi is not strong for them as sifu said.
WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 01:05 PM

老人需以靜功练起，养出内气后才有力动。

回复  华侨
可改练动功
Dong gong for old age difficult because is not easy to learn "Tai Chi Guan" too many steps & need to stand long hours..
WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 01:05 PM

腿力不行者先靜练内功，过后才练招式。年轻好动的不成问题

WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 01:05 PM [/quote]

华侨

回复  华侨

    yes agreed. But self turning is most difficult part that may get hurt if out of control, must get someone to guard.
Half way stop will suffer because qi is still moving.

顺其自然 is best way.
WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 01:09 PM

这是一些导师对自发功害怕的原因之一，因为他们没有让学员收控自如的技术。

WANAKA

How to know 贯通任督二脉 and 通了十二正经 is completed?
Yes agreed that 1 of sympton is 寻常咳嗽感冒都难侵.
My case after self turning, hand's "low gong mai" can auto collect qi from tree &  moon.

WANAKA

这是一些导师对自发功害怕的原因之一，因为他们没有让学员收控自如的技术。
华侨 发表于 4-1-2010 04:19 PM

    Becase of this, members from almost 100 reduced to 10 plus....
Consistent is very difficult & they don't have good knowledge about this.

华侨

How to know 贯通任督二脉 and 通了十二正经 is completed?
Yes agreed that 1 of sympton is 寻常咳嗽感冒都难侵.
My case after self turning, hand's "low gong mai" can auto collect qi from tree &  moon.
WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 04:27 PM

內气在任督二脉环流不息(=小周天)是最有力的证据，即使足是径络不敏感者也能感觉到。

小周天后十二经逐渐通完，能在十二经环流(＝大周天)必有所感触，尤其是内气在脚趾手指 U-turn 时最明显。

华侨

Becase of this, members from almost 100 reduced to 10 plus....
Consistent is very difficult & they don't have good knowledge about this.
WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 04:30 PM

能召集100个人是相当有号召力了！免费的吗?
遗憾的是未能在短期内练出功夫。不妨先教他们龙门派的内丹筑基功，老人需筑基补漏才能练自发功。

WANAKA

內气在任督二脉环流不息(=小周天)是最有力的证据，即使足是径络不敏感者也能感觉到。

小周天后十二经 ...
华侨 发表于 4-1-2010 04:39 PM

I only feel qi moving from up & down, especially head very enjoy.

WANAKA

能召集100个人是相当有号召力了！免费的吗?
遗憾的是未能在短期内练出功夫。不妨先教他们龙门派的内丹 ...
华侨 发表于 4-1-2010 04:45 PM

  Per year estimate more than 100 people but turnover very high, only senior can stay long, those senior have experince from 5 to 10 years plus.

we need to pay monthly fees RM60. 1 week 3 time.
we do practice dao jia meditation, jan juang.
My master is very experinced Qi gong master.

WANAKA

He said my qi some is real & some is false, if can change from false to real = real qi.
The way i learned zhi fa gong is correct also but he said will have many imagination out from  mind(which is not real) if read from book may intentionally follow the step as suggested by book..

华侨

He said my qi some is real & some is false, if can change from false to real = real qi.
The way i learned zhi fa gong is correct also but he said will havemany imagination out from  mind(which is not real) if read from bookmay intentionally follow the step as suggested by book..
WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 05:18 PM

通常只教面授学员操练法，气的路线和功景反应一概不先说出来；就是为了避免心理作用和意导。一无所知者练出的功景较可靠，也可以反应中知道他们练到哪个程度。

华侨

Per year estimate more than 100 people but turnover very high, onlysenior can stay long, those senior have experince from 5 to 10 yearsplus.

we need to pay monthly fees RM60. 1 week 3 time.
we do practice dao jia meditation, jan juang.
My master is very experinced Qi gong master.
WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 05:15 PM

一年百多人並不多，我以为每次集练有百多人。
龙门派／全真派靜坐充许自发动吗?
我教的也有桩功，较像南派筑基功。

华侨

I only feel qi moving from up & down, especially head very enjoy.
WANAKA 发表于 4-1-2010 05:11 PM

如是沿任脉下行和沿督脉上行、始而复周即是小周天。也称还精补脑，可进入靜态，无为而无所不为。

WANAKA

一年百多人並不多，我以为每次集练有百多人。
龙门派／全真派靜坐充许自发动吗?
我教的也有桩功，较像 ...
华侨 发表于 5-1-2010 12:07 AM

每次集练 max 80 plus, recently 30 plus.

    龙门派／全真派靜坐充许自发动吗?
meditation allow to practice only at least after 1 year plus.
meditation & 桩功 is not allow to have zhi fa gong.

meditation = 周天功

WANAKA

如是沿任脉下行和沿督脉上行、始而复周即是小周天。也称还精补脑，可进入靜态，无为而无所不为。
华侨 发表于 5-1-2010 12:10 AM

    under zhi fa gong 入靜态 can do lotus meditation but only can last 1 hour. Any way to improve?

龙门派／全真派靜坐 under lotus meditation, head have to go down & touch floor but not many can do.

WANAKA

如是沿任脉下行和沿督脉上行、始而复周即是小周天。也称还精补脑，可进入靜态，无为而无所不为。
华侨 发表于 5-1-2010 12:10 AM

    Very important issue here is, that 2 ways said 小周天 is done.

1) under zhi fa gong 无为
2) under form- use mind to control qi to move up & down.


which 1 is consider confirmed 小周天 is done?

WANAKA

after zhi fa gong practice & open eye can see self like size bigger than other, what is this mean?

after meditation 2 hand's fingers when touch togather feel like magnet, what is this mean?

Thanks sifu for kind explanation...