飞机师 训练＋飞行 《从零到有 Q&A》

doml

老何，最近我参加了一个flight experience, 从那里打听到就是，有些人他们cpl/ir 之前 的ppl 是参加flying club时考到的 然后再去 flight school接着考cpl/ir with frozen atpl， 听说这样的管道会比 全部都在flight school 考的来的便宜，对吗?  你会清楚俩者之间具体的费用吗? 对这样的管道，你有没有什么opinion?  

doml

还有 我也打听到 一个各人觉得 不是很可靠的消息，就是说 近期 国内的aviation industry ,mas,airasia 这些是有缺pilot 然后 最近有在recruiting着， just want to comfirm,这个消息 可靠性高吗?

老何

doml 发表于 30-12-2016 01:57 PM
还有 我也打听到 一个各人觉得 不是很可靠的消息，就是说 近期 国内的aviation industry ,mas,airasia 这些是有缺pilot 然后 最近有在recruiting着， just want to comfirm,这个消息 可靠性高吗?

我在飞行学院的时候确实是有人这样先在 flying club 考获 PPL，然后再过来飞行学院考 CPL/IR。不过，我不知道这样分阶段来考获 CLP/IR 会在飞行学院那里得到比较便宜的学费。

Airasia 目前没有招聘 cadet pilot。
http://www.airasia.com/hk/en/about-us/my-cadet.page



马航的 2017 cadet pilot program (Req ID 862)
https://career10.successfactors.com/career?company=malaysiaaiP&career_ns=job_listing_summary&navBarLevel=JOB_SEARCH&_s.crb=NwsGEGeFiOKvGbJLL%2b%2bQ6Qb09cI%3d

Career Opportunities: Cadet Pilot (862)
Req ID 862 - Posted 29/12/2016 - Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KULAP) - Malaysia Airlines Berhad

Job Title
Cadet Pilot
Reports To
Chief Pilot, Training
Division
Operation
Role Purpose
To be cleared and endorsed by DCA on type rating training on B737 as a Co-pilot
Key Accountability
The Co-pilot is the Commander’s deputy and is a member of the flight crew acting in piloting capacity, other than Commander.
When the Commander is absent or becomes incapacitated, the Co-pilot assumes the Commander’s authority and the responsibility.
Responsibly participate in the preparation of the flight and to attentively monitor the progress of the flight in order to be able to assume this authority/responsibility at any given moment, either by the Commander’s direction or when necessitated by the Commander’s incapacitation.
The Co-pilot shall assist the Commander in the management of the flight and the manipulation of the aircraft controls in accordance with the directions of the Commander and approved AFM.

Qualification & Experience
SPM - Pass SPM or its equivalent qualification recognized by Malaysian government with six (6) credits including Bahasa Malaysia and a minimum of B4/C4 in Mathematics, Physics or General Science and English taken at one seating.
Diploma - Possess Diploma / Degree in Engineering or Science related disciplines with CGPA 3.0 and above and six credits with a pass in Bahasa Malaysia in SPM.
i. A Malaysian National.
ii. Possess Frozen ATPL
iii. Age between 18 and 32 at date of selection.
iv. Good command of Bahasa Malaysia and English both written and spoken.
v. Medically and physically fit with perfect eyesight and visual acuity of at least 6/60 without optical aids, correctable to 6/6 and not colour blind,
vi. Not less than 163cm (5 ft. 4 in.) in height,
vii. Prepared to undergo vigorous training up to twenty (20) months or until completion of Ab-initio training

Skills & Knowledge
Knowledge of regulatory requirement and principles of flight.
Sound flying skills with knowledge of operations disciplines, specialised technical knowledge of current fleets in the system.
Strong in interpersonal and communications skills, good analytical skill, and good at issue engagements.

新航有开放 2017 cadet pilot program (711-233) 是开放给非新加坡公民。
https://sia.silkroad.com/epostings/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.welcome&category_id=2740&company_id=16233&version=2&startflag=1&levelid1=2740

Cadet Pilot (Singapore)
Tracking Code
711-233
Job Description
CADET PILOT

This entry-level position is based in Singapore, and is for candidates who display a strong interest in aviation.
REQUIREMENTS
Polytechnic Diploma or University Degree. In addition, you must demonstrate proficiency in English, Mathematics and Science, preferably Physics (with at least credits in GCE 'O' levels or its equivalent)
At least 1.65m in height
Myopia of not more than 500 degrees and astigmatism of not more than 200 degrees, fully correctable with optical aids. For candidates who have undergone corrective eye surgery, the pre-surgical visual acuity must meet the above requirements
Medically fit
Completed, exempted from, or not liable for National Service

SELECTION PROCESS
All interviews will be held in Singapore. Applicants undergo five stages comprising online application, preliminary interview, aptitude test, final interview with senior management as well as a medical check-up.
TRAINING
Successful candidates will undergo training to acquire either an Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL) with Instrument Rating (IR) or a Multi-Crew Pilot License (MPL) at Singapore Flying College and overseas.

EMPLOYMENT
Successful candidates will enjoy a rewarding career coupled with extensive training and personal growth development with Singapore Airlines or our subsidiaries SilkAir or SIA Cargo.

SALARY AND BENEFITS
A monthly allowance will be provided during your training.  On appointment as First Officer, you will enjoy an attractive salary, along with various allowances and benefits.

BOND
Successful candidates will be required to serve the employer company for the duration of the training and for a period of seven years from the date of appointment as First Officer.

APPLICATION
Candidates who have attended our final interviews previously need not apply.
Candidate must be ready to join within 6 months from date of application.
We thank all applicants for their applications and regret that only short-listed candidates will be notified.

Job Location
Singapore, , Singapore
Position Type
Full-Time/Regular

doml

‘Diploma - Possess Diploma / Degree in Engineering or Science related disciplines with CGPA 3.0’
去nilai修个 diploma in aircraft engineer 也算吗？

doml

顺便分享 在flight experience 时拍的照片，虽然 这个活动不能算是真的开过飞机，但是在这个角度来到看的风景是与众不同的，
同时也多认识了一些人，从他们那里学到一些知识或打听到一些消息

princeforlan

doml 发表于 12-1-2017 12:20 PM
顺便分享 在flight experience 时拍的照片，虽然 这个活动不能算是真的开过飞机，但是在这个角度来到看的风景是与众不同的，
同时也多认识了一些人，从他们那里学到一些知识或打听到一些消息








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RSFC的 Cessna172上？

doml

princeforlan 发表于 12-1-2017 04:54 PM
RSFC的 Cessna172上？

AAFC 的c172

princeforlan

doml 发表于 13-1-2017 05:48 PM
AAFC 的c172

飞行一次收费如何？

doml

princeforlan 发表于 14-1-2017 12:34 AM
飞行一次收费如何？

1Pax rm6xx

carimal

老何 发表于 5-1-2017 02:21 PM
我在飞行学院的时候确实是有人这样先在 flying club 考获 PPL，然后再过来飞行学院考 CPL/IR。不过，我不知道这样分阶段来考获 CLP/IR 会在飞行学院那里得到比较便宜的学费。

Airasia 目前没有招聘 cadet pilot ...

Mas 的 Cadet Pilot opening, 必须 possess Frozen ATPL， 这样就必须读过飞行学校才能申请吗？

snoopy5481

去年我参加过airway aviation malaysia的讲解会。他们是在本地读foundation的。 大概RM15k，过后就去澳洲继续 0 to ATPL 课程费用需要大概77k AUD。

我想问问如果在本地先拿PPL 跟 CPL过后再到国外继续ATP L可以吗？ 有没有人有那方面的经验？

那如果在国外拿0 to ATPL 那回国的话还需要convert些什么licence吗？

Chong1101

楼主我是Art Stream的学生，不知道Art Stream 可以直接读cpl？还是要读了ppl才读cpl？

Chong1101

Chong1101 发表于 10-2-2017 09:50 PM
楼主我是Art Stream的学生，不知道Art Stream 可以直接读cpl？还是要读了ppl才读cpl？

而且Art Stream可以读吗？有人笑我只有Science Stream可以读Art Stream 的别想太多。所以真的很须要这个答案，谢谢

snoopy5481

Chong1101 发表于 10-2-2017 09:50 PM
楼主我是Art Stream的学生，不知道Art Stream 可以直接读cpl？还是要读了ppl才读cpl？

据我所知不管art 或 science 的都可以，都是数学，科学及英语 有credit 最好。 如果是航空公司born 的或许比较严吧。 如果你是自费的多数没问题。

不管是谁或成绩多好都没关系的，都是一定先拿PPL（private pilot licence)， 然后再CPL （commecial pilot licence) .

如有说错请纠正我·哦。。

Chong1101

snoopy5481 发表于 11-2-2017 12:29 PM
据我所知不管art 或 science 的都可以，都是数学，科学及英语 有credit 最好。 如果是航空公司born 的或许比较严吧。 如果你是自费的多数没问题。

不管是谁或成绩多好都没关系的，都是一定先拿PPL（private pil ...

谢谢你的答案！

老何

carimal 发表于 3-2-2017 10:28 AM
Mas 的 Cadet Pilot opening, 必须 possess Frozen ATPL， 这样就必须读过飞行学校才能申请吗？

这一点我个人觉得是 HR post  错了。如果已经有了 Frozen ATPL 那么这个招聘应该是叫 direct entry second officer 或 direct entry first officer 了。

老何

snoopy5481 发表于 9-2-2017 12:23 PM
去年我参加过airway aviation malaysia的讲解会。他们是在本地读foundation的。 大概RM15k，过后就去澳洲继续 0 to ATPL 课程费用需要大概77k AUD。

我想问问如果在本地先拿PPL 跟 CPL过后再到国外继续ATP L可以 ...

我好奇当你在 Airway Aviation Malaysia 训练结束的时候是得到什么国家的飞行执照？

在马来西亚训练得到了 CPL ，就是只得到马来西亚的 CPL 执照而已。ATPL 也不过是在你专心考 CPL 试卷的时候读深一层知识，不是什么另外的特别科目。CPL 考的科目和 ATPL 都是同样的。应该说是在飞行学院准备考 ATPL 的时候顺便将 CPL paper 考考去 。

你要到外国受训也必需先将马来西亚的飞行执照 Convert 去他们国家的飞行执照。再说，你在别的国家考获 EASA 的 frozen ATPL 也没有用。因为你还是需要 1,500 小时来解冻 ATPL 。

老何

Chong1101 发表于 11-2-2017 12:25 PM
而且Art Stream可以读吗？有人笑我只有Science Stream可以读Art Stream 的别想太多。所以真的很须要这个答案，谢谢

Art stream 的也可以申请 cadet pilot。文科就看 Science的成绩， 理科就看 physics的成绩。重点是成绩单必需是在同一届考试的成绩。

SPM - Pass SPM or its equivalent qualification recognized by Malaysian government with six (6) credits including Bahasa Malaysia and a minimum of B4/C4 in Mathematics, Physics or General Science and English taken at one seating.  

就如 Snoopy5481网友说的，你在训练时期，你会中间的阶段先考获 PPL 然后再来考获 CPL 执照。

snoopy5481

老何 发表于 13-2-2017 06:50 PM
我好奇当你在 Airway Aviation Malaysia 训练结束的时候是得到什么国家的飞行执照？

在马来西亚训练得到了 CPL ，就是只得到马来西亚的 CPL 执照而已。ATPL 也不过是在你专心考 CPL 试卷的时候读深一层知识，不 ...

hi，
谢谢你的讲解，我没在airway aviation 训练。我只是去听讲解而已。

所以说就算在本地拿了PPL 要去国外继续CPL或ATPL 就必须将PPL convert先对吗？ convert 费用如何？

我之前听说本地的ATPL不受多个国家认可，所以在本地读的就必须在本地累计1500hrs 那才能到其他非本地的航空公司。
他们还说如果拿EASA/CASA 的比较多国家认可，那就比较容易被入取。
这个说法对吗？？  

清达

hi 大家好  我今年18岁  spm成绩 phy c，mt d ，mm a  我上个月拿到了dca的approval  正考虑着进入hma读cpl/ir with frozen atpl课程  可是现在的学费需要320k 左右  家人阻止我去读  说我读了会很压力  因为成绩不好  担心我会fail掉  然后浪费钱 家里经济也普通  想问问看过来人的经历  theory是不是真的很难 很难  真的需要成绩很好的学生能够handle吗？ 我真的很想当飞机师  可是我本身也担心theory考不过   请大家给我一些意见  把你们的经历分享给我  谢谢了