贺喜：印度空军全球最小LCA研发超过30年的Tejas Fighter Jet，在12月20日正式列装

boskova

印度本土研制超过30年的“光辉”战斗机已经完成了2445次飞行任务搭配GE f404发动机，满足了印度空军的要求，空军在12月20日正式列装。 印度斯坦航空公司（HAL）官员表示：“LCA到现在已经进行了2445次飞行，今年的飞行次数尤其多，项目已经达到史上最高的月平均飞行次数。飞机最近通过展示其导弹发射能力达到了最后一个参数要求，发射的是红外寻的空空导弹，精确地击毁了目标。

阿兵：将军，我们的LCA起飞了。

将军：哦~~~它还能飞回来吗？

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阿兵：呃。。。

阿兵：将军，我们的LCA降落了。

将军：哦~~~是脸先着地的吗？

阿兵：呃。。。

阿兵：将军，我们的LCA安全降落了。

将军：哦~~~那我们庆祝一下，让飞行员先干了这碗恒河水。。。

[ 转自铁血社区

阿兵：飞行员：呃。。。

detectivebinbin

唉～還沒服役就已經落伍的裝備……

cyberjaye

detectivebinbin 发表于 23-12-2013 03:15 PM
唉～還沒服役就已經落伍的裝備……

这款上一代设计的气动布局落后了
要跟J10或台风那款设计比机动性肯定不行

boskova

印度军网友对LCA Forum的观点与翻译：

Hmm...just wondering...after how many years will it be inducted into the Indian Navy...I'm sure it will be inducted by 2030!

嗯，只是想知道，多少年后它会被用来装备印度海军？我敢肯定，装备时间是2030年！

This is indeed a good achievement but took a long time. Hope we can deliver 5th generation fighter plane as early as possible.

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这的确是一个很好的成就，但是花了很长时间，希望我们能尽早交付第五代战机。

If it is new technology, then it may be a good fleet in coming years.

如果这是新科技，那么在未来几年，它将被组装成一个很好的舰队。

ill see how it goes, I still feel Russian made MIGs wll still be a better option than Tejas.

它的未来发展有困难，我还是觉得俄罗斯制造的米格 战斗机仍然是一个更好的选择

Thanks team for LCA.

[ 转自铁血社区

感谢研究LCA的团队。

if the aircraft really becomes a potent fighter thn our govt shud export it to other countries, as no doubt they would be cheapest in their category

如果LCA真的能够成为一个强大的战斗机，我们的政府将把它出口到其他国家。毫无疑问，它将是同类别战斗机中最便宜的。

Splendid moment!!!!!!!!

精彩的瞬间！！！

This aircraft is more or less obsolete now. It is the era of stealth technology now.
这站机现在已是老旧科技了。 现在是隐性科技的时代。

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Congratulations to our scientists and technicians and hope in the coming years they will revolutionise the image of our country in cutting edge technology thus not only saving precious foreign exchange but making us self reliant since others have their own reservations and conditions in sharing their technology with us... Rakesh Kumar, Faridabad

这架飞机或多或少过时了。现在是隐形技术的时代了。祝贺我们的科学家和技术人员，并且希望在未来几年内，他们能改变我们国家在尖端科技方面的形象。这样我们既能节省宝贵的外汇，又能 自给自足（自从其他国家在我们分享他们的技术有所保留后）。拉克什库马尔，法里达巴德

As an ex employee of HAL I am proud, please accept my heartfelt congratulations All the best dot Tejas

作为HAL的前工作人员，我实在是太骄傲了。请接受我最衷心的祝贺，为它所获得的最优秀的成就。

Production should be huge so that we can make fighter bit cheaper.

生产量应该是巨大的，以便我们能卖它卖便宜点。

[ 转自铁血社区

ejas is like our ambassador car. Old and rickety.

它就像我们大使的车，老旧又摇摇晃晃的。

Its good....but the engine we are using is GE 404....our engine "Kaveri" failed to impress.....try to improve on that.....make it 100% indigeneous

太棒了，但是我们使用的发动机是同用的404，我们的发动机“卡弗里”失败了。试着改善它（“卡弗里”），让它在原有基础上提高100%。

Indians can definitely do better. Its should be a national pride. The Chinese have their own aircraft and indians must excel them.<></P>印度人绝对可以做得更好，它应该是民族自豪感。中国有自己的飞机，我们印度必须超过他们。

Hope it is better now and works for IAF

[ 转自铁血社区

希望它现在好多了，并且为IAF"印度空军“工作。

striderozy

恭喜印度LCA正式服役，虽然来得慢，但是这一步始终要跨过去。
至少现在它有国产战机（虽然也沦为国际笑柄），但是我觉得这是一个想要当强国的基本需求...

boskova

LCA开发进度表：30年的努力和kickbacks终于没有白费

1982
DRDO got permission to initiate a programme to design and develop a Light Combat Aircraft.
1984
Government of India set up Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) as the nodal agency developing the LCA and managing the program
1985
IAF generated Air Staff Requirements (ASR) for LCA in October 1985.
1986
Government allocated 575 Crores for the LCA programme.
Programme to develop an indigenous power plant (engine)- Kaveri was launched at GTRE.
1987
Project definition commenced in October 1987 with French aircraft major Dassault Aviation as consultants.
1988
Project definition phase completed in September 1988.
1989
Government review committee expressed confidence in LCA programme. It was decided that the programme will be implemented in two phases.
1990 - 1999
1990
Design of LCA was completed as a tail-less compound delta winged relaxed static stability aircraft.
Phase 1 (Technology Demonstrator) of the development was commenced to create the proof of concept.
1993
Full funding approved from April 1993 and development work for phase 1 started in June.
1995
First technology demonstrator, TD-1, rolled out on 17th November.
1997
Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) for LCA design work started at HAL Hyderabad division and LRDE.

2000 - 2009
2001
4th January – the historic first flight of the Technology Demonstrator TD-1 marking a new era in the aviation history of India.
2002
6th June - TD-2 made her successful maiden flight.
2003
Prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee named LCA – "Tejas" meaning Radiance in ancient Indian language Sanskrit.
Tejas crossed the sonic barrier for the first time
25th November - PV-1 made her successful maiden flight.

2005
1st December - PV-2 made her successful maiden flight.
2006
1st December - PV-3 flew for the first time for 27 minutes at an altitude of 2.5 km and at a speed of Mach 0.8. PV-3 was equipped with a more advanced pilot interface, refined avionics and higher control law capabilities compared with the previous versions.
2007
25th April - The first Limited Series Production LCA (LSP-1) made her first flight and reached a speed of Mach 1.1 in the very first flight.
PV-2 and PV-3 underwent sea-level trials at INS Rajali Naval Air Station, Arakkonam to study the effects of flying at sea-level, as all earlier trials have been conducted at Bangalore which is 3,000 feet (910 m) above sea-level. The reliability of the LCA systems under the hot and humid conditions, as well as low level flight characteristics was tested.
7th September - Tejas Prototype Vehicle (PV-1) made a successful flight with two external drop tanks of 800 Ltrs capacity.
25th October - Tejas PV-1 fired R-73 (CCM) missile for the first time. The trials were conducted off the Goa coast at INS Hansa Naval Air Station.
11th December - LITENING targeting pod was successfully tested on Tejas PV-2.
2008
28th May 2008 to 4th June 2008 - LCA Tejas prototypes PV-2 & PV-3 underwent hot weather trials at Air Force Station, Nagpur.
16th June - Tejas second Limited Series Production LCA (LSP-2) made its first flight.
7th November - LCA Prototype Vehicle-3 made first successful night flight.
13th December - PV-3 and LSP-2 completed the high altitude test at Leh, world's highest operational airfield.
2009
22nd January - Tejas completed 1000 flights.
October - PV-3 and LSP-2 completed air-to-ground weapons delivery trials.
26th November - Two seater (Trainer) version of Tejas (PV-5) made its maiden flight on 26 Nov 09.
7th December - Tejas speed envelope expanded to 1350 km/h (CAS) while performing flight flutter test in a dive to near sea level. These tests were conducted at INS Hansa, Goa.
2010 - 2019
2010
6th June - TD-2 made her successful maiden flight.
23rd April - LCA Tejas LSP-3 made maiden flight. LSP-3 is close to the final configuration including the new air-data computers, Hybrid
Multi Mode Radar, new communication and navigation equipment and radar warning receiver. With this the LCA programme has completed 1350 test flights logging about 800 flying hours.
2nd June - LCA Tejas LSP-4 made successful maiden Flight. In addition to the LSP-3 standard of preparation, the aircraft also flew with the Countermeasure Dispensing System.
19 November - LCA Tejas LSP-5 made successful maiden Flight.
2011
10th January - Certification for the Release to Service.
2012
9th March - The Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, LSP-7 accomplished its maiden flight from HAL airport on 9th March 2012
29th April - The Naval version of the Indian Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, made its maiden flight from the HAL airport in Bangalore. This was a significant milestone in the history of Indian Aviation in designing a naval variant of a fighter aircraft.
2013
22nd February - The LCA took part in the Iron Fist Exercise in Pokhran, Jaisalmer
31st March - The Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, LSP-8 accomplished its maiden flight from HAL airport.

boskova

striderozy 发表于 23-12-2013 04:42 PM
恭喜印度LCA正式服役，虽然来得慢，但是这一步始终要跨过去。
至少现在它有国产战机（虽然也沦为国际笑柄） ...

他自己造的飞机感觉真心危险。国际并不是嘲笑印度，他们努力的态度也的确值得肯定。国际是笑他们努力错了方向。要知道，想要研制飞机也好，舰船也罢，首先要能造好枪。要想造好自己的枪，你要有自己造子弹的能力，而要想造子弹，首先要有工业基础。现在印度造子弹完全没问题，但是造枪还是有一定难度。而枪都造不好就期望跳步去造飞机大炮舰船，质量可想而知！人家能帮助你改进保养，但是人家只是带着技术过来，并不可能把他们的工厂带来。他们顶多把自己工厂造的零件或者是组建带过来，真正的拼装还是要看印度自己。从LCA摔飞机事件就证明了他们工业基础的薄弱。既然如此应该先抓工业，只有工业起来那些武器的质量才有保障。而印度是“去工业化”的政策，那么维修保养等将会让他们LP疼。 LCA先不先进固然重要，但是印度最大的痛脚是发动机和70%电子设备都要import,而且还是万国牌子 ！ 他们才刚装备，就在forum大谈export ，没有工业背景连枪都做不好就做飞机大炮 ，这种战斗机谁敢买来用？这就是不发展工业的后果！
没错，的确是国产战机，印度LCA是一台定位为四代半战机，你看像吗？坦白说，我真看不出来咯。LCA30年后正式服役，不也就是个硬掰的面子工程。

cyberjaye

striderozy 发表于 23-12-2013 04:42 PM
恭喜印度LCA正式服役，虽然来得慢，但是这一步始终要跨过去。
至少现在它有国产战机（虽然也沦为国际笑柄） ...

有新的了，两款印度自主5代机！
再搞30年，大概也能正式列装。

aslash

其实吧，印度每年都要大量进口5.56mm NATO弹和7.62mm NATO弹。。。。。。
LCA机体是在法国幻影的基础上改造的。
印度号称IT大过，但飞控也是法国达索公司编写的。。。。。。
不光发动机、零件要进口，连软件都没能力自己写。。。。。。

cyberjaye

真搞笑！
搞了30年下订单才40架，然后说不买了，还死要面子说要出口。。。
http://www.guancha.cn/military-affairs/2014_11_08_284272.shtml

印度空军停止采购LCA战机 转为外销

2014-11-08 10:45:19

“印度防卫研究组织”网站11月7日报道，印度空军已经通知国防部与国防研究发展组织，不反对出口“光辉”MK-1型(LCA）战斗机给“有兴趣的国家”，但同时这份通知也确认，印度空军将停止采购这种飞机，已经订购的40架飞机将用于组建两个空军中队。据悉，印度LCA战斗机是一种印度自行研制的轻型战斗机，该机从1983年开始研制，2001年首飞，目前正在边测试边生产状态，该机唯一用户是印度空军，暂未有消息称其他国家对该型飞机感兴趣。

alex92

cyberjaye 发表于 8-11-2014 04:10 PM
真搞笑！
搞了30年下订单才40架，然后说不买了，还死要面子说要出口。。。
http://www.guancha.cn/ ...

如果便宜过枭龙，你说她在非洲有竞争力吗

cyberjaye

alex92 发表于 10-11-2014 07:22 PM
如果便宜过枭龙，你说她在非洲有竞争力吗

2代机的机身，谁要买呢？给commission厚厚？

alex92

cyberjaye 发表于 10-11-2014 10:25 PM
2代机的机身，谁要买呢？给commission厚厚？

参考起来枭龙和光辉的性能数据相差不多
j31在维基换名字了，叫fc31

梦魇蝴蝶

alex92 发表于 10-11-2014 02:46 PM
参考起来枭龙和光辉的性能数据相差不多
j31在维基换名字了，叫fc31

枭龙的前身是超7轻型战斗机计划，在J7的基础上改进一款先进轻型战斗机，后来这个事黄了。
再后来巴基斯坦找中国要一款便宜好用的轻型战斗机，超7才复活，改个名叫FC-1，巴基斯坦叫JF-17。
FC-1的机体结构是以2代机为基础改进的，算是2代半机身，性质如同SU-27改进到SU-35那样。
FC-1是轻型机，航程和载弹量都不足，但是对与印度接壤的巴基斯坦来说这不算大问题，最大缺点是机动性不足，达不到标准3代机的水平。
因此FC-1在设计时主要以多用途为主，没有空优型号，巴基斯坦争夺指控权主要靠F16，以后也许会买J10B或其他空优机。
FC-1采用了一些先进技术，比如DSI进气道、三余度数字电传、平显控制台等等，综合战力并不是很弱。
巴基斯坦采购FC-1的单价是1200万刀(包括在巴基斯坦国内组装的)。

LCA的研发周期超过30年，至今仍有大量工作未完成，先不管性能如何，价格是绝对很高，实例参考阿琼坦克。