如果中了三张警告信, 老板要炒人是否应该赔我薪水

梦寻雪缘

有什么办法能够集合三封警告信喔?
还真不简单.

花田錯

中３张了。。。。你也够神。

都给你３张warning letter了，还要什么鬼通知书？warning letter就是通知书了。公司只需要给你到你离职那天的薪水，不用fight你都输５个kampung了

劳工法令上说的是，
notice as stipulated below must be given:

The employer has ceased or intends to cease to carry out business;

The employer has ceased or intends to cease to carry on business at the place the employee was contracted to work;

The requirements of that business for the employee to carry out work have ceased or diminished;

The employee has refused to accept a transfer to a different place (if there is no such requirement in the contract);

A change has occurred in the ownership of a business or part of a business.


既然你的已经是under domestic inquiry的case:
If the employee commits misconduct, the employer may dismiss him without notice after due inquiry. The employer may instead of dismissing the employee, downgrade the employee or impose any lesser punishment he deems just. If a punishment of suspension from work on no pay is imposed, the period of suspension cannot exceed 2 weeks.

lebronjames

妈的。。。。。。 连中3张信还感吵了？ 乖乖去外面找工走啦。。。。朋友。。

我看老板随变开你appraisal都有你罪证没把工做好/严重错物。。。还是大事化小吧。。。。 你碗那么大要告人， 日后同圈行还有人敢请你么？？你的底会花的。。

Nachogy

花田錯 发表于 9-5-2014 01:25 PM
中３张了。。。。你也够神。

都给你３张warning letter了，还要什么鬼通知书？warning letter就是通 ...

根据劳工法令，你引出条例的是列在clause 12, paragraph (3)里面的。最后有一句你并没有写上，就是
"the employee shall be entitled to, and the employer shall give to the employee, notice of termination of service, and the length of such notice shall be not less than that provided under paragraph  (2)(a)(b) or (c), as the case may be, regardless of anything to the contrary contained in the contract of service.

而clause 12, paragraph (2)是这样的:
The length of such notice shall be the same for both employer and employee and shall be determined by a provision made in writing for such notice in the terms of the contract of service, or, in the absence of such provision in writing, shall not be less than -
(a) four week's notice if the employee has been so employed for less than two years on the date on which the notice is given;
(b) six weeks' notice if he has been so employed for two years or more but less than five years on such date;
(c) eight weeks' notice if he has been so employed for five years or more on such date;

所以依据劳工法令的这项条规，如果老板给我三封信要我马上走，照理还是要赔我两个月薪水啊？

jnx1030

3 warning letter是不用赔钱的

红衣骑士

offer letter里面可能有写

倚楼听风雨

堕落死神 发表于 8-5-2014 08:17 PM
中了 warning letter, 做错事还要别人善后, 还好意思公司赔钱, 做梦吧。

赶快叫他念事业经文呀

belove100

重点是为什么你会中警告信先

siwaaa

Nachogy 发表于 9-5-2014 02:04 PM
根据劳工法令，你引出条例的是列在clause 12, paragraph (3)里面的。最后有一句你并没有写上，就是
"the ...

是哪个天才叫你用第12条？第12条谈的是没mis-conduct的情况。

有warning letter的情况是必须套用第14条，以下：

14. Termination of contract for special reasons
(1) An employer may, on the grounds of misconduct inconsistent with the fulfilment of the express or implied conditions of his service, after due inquiry --

• (a) dismiss without notice the employee;
• (b) downgrade the employee; or
• (c) impose any other lesser punishment as he deems just and fit, and where a punishment of suspension without wages is imposed, it shall not exceed a period of two weeks.
  

(2) For the purposes of an inquiry under subsection (1), the employer may suspend the employee from work for a period not exceeding two weeks but shall pay him not less than half his wages for such period:
Provided that if inquiry does not disclose any misconduct on the part of the employee the employer shall forthwith restore to the employee the full amount of wages so withheld.
(3) An employee may terminate his contract of service with his employer without notice where he or his dependants are immediately threatened by danger to the person by violence or disease such as such employee did not by his contract of service undertake to run.

其实很多人不懂，老板在第一次发现问题就可以马上开除员工。
但通常在Labour Office求情下，都会再给员工一个机会。
你都有2张了，机会都给了，炒你不必再赔。

zmsoon

就借楼上的statement grounds of misconduct。这个是指严重的触犯了contract，好像欺骗，诋毁，吸毒，etc。

如果那2张warning letter是指上班迟到之类的。sec.14可以用的话，老板喜欢几时炒你就几时炒。

zmsoon

有些公司even在请salesman的contract写明 ” dismissal is the result if your failed to meet the minimum sales target that you agreed to meet by xxxxxxxx"。还没 confirm就ok，如果confirm了，在某一种情况下公司可能也会输。

eric889

楼主还是不敢讲为什么中WARNING LETTER。。。

siwaaa

zmsoon 发表于 9-5-2014 05:00 PM
就借楼上的statement grounds of misconduct。这个是指严重的触犯了contract，好像欺骗，诋毁，吸毒，etc。 ...

迟到早退也是misconduct的一种，但通常老板都是在严重的情况给警告（如一个月犯若干次）。

其他常见的：
销售连续不达标
弄坏仪器
吵架，打架
偷窃
偷懒（睡觉）
偷上网
私人电话太多
泄露公司机密（薪水，客户等）
欺骗公司
在一些场合做不当的事
做出影响公司形象的事
骗MC
Puchasing 吃钱
low productivity （和其他工人比较）
等等

（别问我那里知道的）

zmsoon

siwaaa 发表于 9-5-2014 07:47 PM
迟到早退也是misconduct的一种，但通常老板都是在严重的情况给警告（如一个月犯若干次）。

其他常见的 ...

以我知道的misconduct的meaning可以包括很多，所以通常会分为misconduct 或 gross misconduct。
身边的同事也因为 punctuality 的问题被公司炒了，最后公司也是输，不过里面有关系到stay back hours / long term allow behavior/ working performance achieve。

zmsoon

还有malaysia会比较side employee。不是鼓励你们去踩bottomline，在职场上看太多老板take advantage from employee。 尤其是哪些学历不高的。

我来也！

警告信后炒人是不用赔的！

Nachogy

siwaaa 发表于 9-5-2014 04:28 PM
是哪个天才叫你用第12条？第12条谈的是没mis-conduct的情况。

有warning letter的情况是必须套用第14条 ...

回答你的问题，clause 12是“花田錯”网友带出来的，请你叫他天才。


misconduct的定义很含糊，劳工法令并没有一个很好的范围来解释misconduct究竟是怎么样，到什么程度才算misconduct。

如zmsoon网友也说到，劳工部比较side我们这些劳工，不是老板的，有时我们尽心尽力去工作，不去和别人争，但是却莫名其妙惹到老板/经理不爽。然后一直找我们的麻烦。

当然，我也不想和老板弄僵关系，但是出来工作，我们应该要了解自己的基本权力到哪里。

nicky87

楼主还不肯讲解为何会中warning letter...

中warning letter被炒，还想赔？？

梦想之追求者

遗憾地说，employment act和IR Act都没有“中3张警告信就不必赔钱”的。。。这只不过是common practice而已。

俺就是中3张警告信，还反告公司以警告信来毁约，直接claim constructive dismissal，闹到去IR...结果公司的法律部门知道自己理亏，offer我从新上班而且全部警告信取消，但是我不接受，我直接要他们赔偿24个月的薪水。。。案件还在进行中。。。

所以，没有任何的法律允许老板给3张警告信就可以炒员工的，而且给警告信前也必须给员工show caused letter。。。另外，每个警告信你都必须回答“不同意”，不可以收了信后保持沉默

zmsoon

梦想之追求者 发表于 10-5-2014 11:34 AM
遗憾地说，employment act和IR Act都没有“中3张警告信就不必赔钱”的。。。这只不过是common practice而已 ...

八卦下，案件process了几久？当你attend hearing时，是不是可以要求第三者做证人或ague 那些issue？