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大马人权律师:罗斯玛所谓的"警告社交媒体若敢议论她涉及一马公司丑闻就会被检控...

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今日最新!羅斯瑪恫言起訴社交媒體誹謗,結果遭人權律師狠狠打臉:妳拿什麼去告人家?有本事就是告美國司法部!不敢告就證明身有屎!





第一官妻羅斯瑪被大律師茜蒂卡欣狠狠打臉了!《羅斯瑪恫言起訴國內媒體誹謗?別被她空白的恐嚇嚇倒了!她拿什麼去告人家?》

茜蒂卡欣說:《在美國司法部宣布充公那麼多不義之財、公開那麼多有關她涉案的證據之下,她有本事就去告美國誹謗!不敢告就表示美國所有的指控都是真的,她拿什麼去提控網民?》
茜蒂卡欣說,在司法上,如果你指控某某人誹謗索償,那麼,起訴人就必須提供有力的證據證明被告所寫的東西是誤導、是錯誤的。但是如果被告引述的證據全是來自美國司法部公布的文件、或華爾街日報的報導、或砂拉越報告的資料;那麼,被告可以完全放心,羅斯瑪根本告不進的。

再說,如果案件上了高庭,開審的時候,原告必須被傳召出庭,拿出有力證據證明美國司法部、華爾街日報、砂拉越報告的各種文件報導都是假的。如果不能拿出反駁證據,怎樣贏?
茜蒂卡欣認為,羅斯瑪最應該做的就是立即起訴美國司法部、華爾街日報和砂拉越報告,而不是欺負國內弱小的媒體。

《你們掌握著國內媒體的生殺大權,許多媒體連美國司法部充公一馬公司贓款與贓物、指名道姓批評你們竊國濫權腐敗,你們為什麼卻不敢去告他們誹謗?為什麼不敢去向他們追討公道?》她說。
如果納吉羅斯瑪不敢反駁美國司法部的指控,不敢起訴華爾街日報及砂拉越報告誹謗,那就等於他們承認了所有的指控。那麼,社交網絡媒體引用美國司法部、華爾街日報及砂拉越報告公開的證據批評納吉羅斯瑪;就肯定沒有問題。

再說了,去年底首相署部長拉曼達藍接受英國廣播公司BBC專訪時,已經很肯定的說過美國司法部所指的《大馬第一號官員》就是首相納吉。相關的專訪視頻與文章發表之後,直到今天首相納吉都沒有否認也不曾反駁;這足以說明,大馬一號官員就是納吉。因此,一號官員之妻,理所當然就是羅斯瑪。
《羅斯瑪如果敢告媒體誹謗,那她也必須先證明自己不是一號官員的妻子!》茜蒂卡欣說:《她必須反駁拉曼達藍部長的談話,但是她又無法反駁,這難度太大了!》

茜蒂卡欣說,馬來西亞聯邦憲法第十條文清楚寫明,人民,尤其是媒體,有權針對涉及國家利益的課題發表意見。
"All citizens, in particular, the press, are entitled under Article 10 of the Federal Constitution to discuss matters of public interest.
美國司法部公開針對一馬公司的種種指控,涉及馬來西亞國家的利益,因此人民在憲法保護下,絕對有權發表個人的看法與意見。

羅斯瑪敢上法庭面對審訊嗎?羅斯瑪有辦法提出反證來對付評論者嗎?她絕對不敢!
《她如果有能力反駁,如果美國司法部公布的證據是虛假的,她早就去美國提告了!為什麼到現在還是不敢去?》西卡卡欣說:《不敢去,就證明美國司法部沒有誣賴她,所有針對她和劉特佐、納吉、利扎阿茲的指控都是真的!》




因此,羅斯瑪所謂《警告社交媒體若敢議論她涉及一馬公司醜聞就會被檢控》的說法,純粹只是恐嚇罷了。大家不必害怕,也別向恐嚇跪拜。




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发表于 19-6-2017 10:35 AM | 显示全部楼层
1。你們確定這個律師有說過這些話?我沒follow她

2。確實如此的話,這位律師的文憑是怎麽拿的?執照是怎麽拿的?我很好奇,因爲 defamation law 的 burden of proof 是落在 defendant 上,defendant (誣賴者)必須證明他說的是正確的,plaintiff (儸斯瑪)不需要,plaintiff 只需要證明 defendant 確實針對她說過這些話
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发表于 19-6-2017 10:38 AM | 显示全部楼层
茜蒂卡欣說,馬來西亞聯邦憲法第十條文清楚寫明,人民,尤其是媒體,有權針對涉及國家利益的課題發表意見

各位網民,看清楚是意見

你可以認爲螺絲馬有罪,但你不可以說她有罪

我不是要幫她,我是要幫你,明白嗎

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发表于 19-6-2017 10:44 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
没人说过河马有罪,包括美国
大家只是认为是mo1之妻
是河马自己跳出来说不可以诽谤

小学都学过的谚语:此地无银三百两
国母做了一个很好的示范。以身教学,此属难得
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发表于 19-6-2017 10:50 AM | 显示全部楼层
阿弥陀佛!
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发表于 19-6-2017 10:54 AM | 显示全部楼层
人家说河马或肥婆也没指名道姓。
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发表于 19-6-2017 10:56 AM | 显示全部楼层
河马对号入座
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发表于 19-6-2017 11:08 AM | 显示全部楼层
此地無銀三百兩嘛~

大家都知道的,公開的秘密
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发表于 19-6-2017 11:38 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 chtan69 于 19-6-2017 11:41 AM 编辑

网民都说是“河马”,谁说她了
网民没它这么笨吧。

更何况美国那里证据大把而已都已进入民事诉讼了,不算毁谤,它比谁都怕吧。
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发表于 19-6-2017 12:23 PM | 显示全部楼层
河马一早八早自己跳出来说不可以毁谤她。她自己要往火坑跳,谁阻止得了她那种体重
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发表于 19-6-2017 01:15 PM | 显示全部楼层
话说鸡哥好像也没有否认过他就是MO1,对吗?

倒是他一班虾仔就迫不及待的出来否认

还是希山做得比较对,敢敢挑战美国有证据就拿出来
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发表于 19-6-2017 01:32 PM | 显示全部楼层
请问·河马是谁,

河马是不是MO1的太太,

你们搞清楚

河马是一种动物,非洲的野兽,怎会来到马国?

是不是动物园的?

哪一个动物园?
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发表于 19-6-2017 01:32 PM | 显示全部楼层
SurveyPlayer 发表于 19-6-2017 10:44 AM
没人说过河马有罪,包括美国
大家只是认为是mo1之妻
是河马自己跳出来说不可以诽谤

小学都学过的谚语:此地无银三百两
国母做了一个很好的示范。以身教学,此属难得

我看到的是很多人編輯帖子了 

美國是說 mo1之妻 沒錯,這就是爲什麽沒辦法起訴誹謗,因爲沒有指名道姓

但你看樓主的帖子,還有那些FB專頁,照片都放出來了,要怎麽否認不是在說洛斯馬?(除非圖片註明:圖片僅為示意,和文字沒有關係等免責聲明,但是沒有噢)

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发表于 19-6-2017 01:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
chtan69 发表于 19-6-2017 11:38 AM
网民都说是“河马”,谁说她了
网民没它这么笨吧。

更何况美国那里证据大把而已都已进入民事诉讼了,不算毁谤,它比谁都怕吧。

美國有把納吉和儸斯瑪列爲defendant嗎
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发表于 19-6-2017 01:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
JowY 发表于 19-6-2017 01:34 PM
美國有把納吉和儸斯瑪列爲defendant嗎

MO1和MO1夫人,干儿子等。。。。
所以所网民说河马和鸡是没错啊。都不是人。毁谤谁了
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发表于 19-6-2017 01:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
chtan69 发表于 19-6-2017 01:36 PM
MO1和MO1夫人,干儿子等。。。。
所以所网民说河马和鸡是没错啊。都不是人。毁谤谁了

對阿,美國都不敢寫啊

倒是網民很敢放照片

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发表于 19-6-2017 01:42 PM | 显示全部楼层
chtan69 发表于 19-6-2017 01:36 PM
MO1和MO1夫人,干儿子等。。。。
所以所网民说河马和鸡是没错啊。都不是人。毁谤谁了

我14#這麽問,是對“更何况美国那里证据大把而已都已进入民事诉讼了,不算毁谤”這句話的疑問
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 楼主| 发表于 19-6-2017 01:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
Rosmah’s threat to sue likely to remain just that, say lawyers
THE threat by Rosmah Mansor to sue those who produce "false, malicious publications or postings" is likely a blustering attempt to intimidate her critics and cow social media users without resulting in any real legal action, say lawyers.
Yesterday, Rosmah's solicitor Messrs Noorhajran Mohd Noor issued a statement saying those who make malicious attacks against her wouldface legal action without further notices or references.

The statement further added that Rosmah's lawyers are closely monitoring all postings on social media platforms and other publications in relation to the false and malicious attacks against her.
Lawyers say that the threat is unlikely to result in any real legal action, such as a defamation suit, due to the legal work entailed and the fact that the wife of the prime minister would likely be called to testify as well.
"It seems they're doing it to scare people from commenting on her. It's a practice to intimidate others," said Eric Paulsen, executive director of Lawyers for Liberty.
"At the end of the day, you end up in court and are subject to the legal process, even if you are the plaintiff. Once the suit is filed, the court process will go on and everyone will have to put in their documents. Rosmah will have to come and testify," he said.
Rosmah's statement came a day after the US Department of Justice (DoJ) filed a civil action to begin seizing assets worth US$540 million (RM2.3 billion), believed to have been purchased using money siphoned from state investor fund 1Malaysia Development Bhd (1MDB).
DoJ's latest suit, its third since last year, brings the total amount allegedly misappropriated from 1MDB to US$4.5 billion.
The latest DoJ suit also noted how Malaysian financier Low Taek Jho had purchased, using money from 1MDB, a 22-carat pink diamond necklace for the 「wife of Malaysian Official No. 1」 (MO1).
MO1 was previously identified as the prime minister by a minister in the Prime Minister’s Department.
Paulsen said blogs and social media users should not be targeted as they are not the originators of information regarding 1MDB.
"The information came from the DoJ. The other source is the Wall Street Journal or at the very least, Sarawak Report. So rather than target blogs, newspapers or Facebook users, who are merely repeating what these originators have said, they should be suing these entities instead.
"So it seems they are targeting people who are the weakest instead of taking on people who are challenging them head on," Paulsen said.
Litigation lawyer Siti Kasim said individuals or publications would only be liable if they made subjective claims that cannot be proven in court.
"If there are claims that she has spent money lavishly from 1MDB, it's a different story. But even then, if she sues over the fact that she's not the recipient of money linked to 1MDB, (her lawyers) will have come out with proof that she wasn't."
Siti, a vocal human rights activist, added there no longer appears to be any legal issues in naming Rosmah as the wife of MO1.
"A minister has publicly confirmed that MO1 is the prime minister and so by implication, she (Rosmah) is the wife of the prime minister.  I'm not sure how's she going to disprove that," Siti said.
Last September Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Rahman Dahlan said in an interview with the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) that MO1, as named by the US Department of Justice (DoJ), was Prime Minister Najib Razak.
"I've said it openly. Obviously, if you read the documents, it is the prime minister," the BBC quoted him as saying in an article titled "Who is Malaysian Official 1? Case closed."
"Her lawyer will have to come up with a very good argument...Unless they say Rahman Dahlan has lied or something," Siti said.
Surendra Ananth, an advocate and solicitor, said as long as social media users or publications do not come up with unproven allegations of their own, Rosmah's threat to take legal action is "shaky".
"As long as they state what the DoJ claim states, I don't see how they can be liable," he said.
Surendra said any suit would be deemed "baseless" if publications use the "truth of justification" defence.
"As far as the papers have repeated what the DoJ papers disclose, by reference to Rosmah being MO1's wife, the papers can rely on the defence of justification.
"A minister has publicly admitted that MO1 is Najib. This was not denied by Najib or anyone else. It is therefore beyond dispute that MO1's wife is Rosmah," he said.
Surendra also said there is the legal matter of qualified privilege, whereby the press has a duty to report on matters of public interest.
"I don't see any element of irresponsible journalism when the press had merely stated what the DoJ papers have disclosed.
"All citizens, in particular, the press, are entitled under Article 10 of the Federal Constitution to discuss matters of public interest.
"The allegations in the DoJ relates to public funds and the conduct of governmental officials. Everyone has the constitutional right to discuss these matters. The media statement is nothing but a hollow threat to stifle free expression," he said.

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发表于 19-6-2017 02:03 PM | 显示全部楼层
MO1'Wife是谁????为什么第一夫人第一个跳出来维护MO1‘Wife????原因???
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 楼主| 发表于 19-6-2017 02:17 PM | 显示全部楼层
JowY 发表于 19-6-2017 01:40 PM
對阿,美國都不敢寫啊

倒是網民很敢放照片

首名部长确认一号官身份 拉曼达兰坦言就是纳吉!晚上8点更新
自美国司法部7月展开充公行动以来,虽然在野党纷纷指责“一号大马官员”就是首相纳吉,但国阵领袖一直拒绝承认。不过,如今终于有一名内阁部长坦言,所谓的“一号官”就是纳吉。
这名部长就是首相署部长阿都拉曼达兰。拉曼达兰接受《英国广播公司》(BBC)访问时说,一号官乃是纳吉。
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“我曾公开说过,显然的,如果你有阅读那些文件,那就是首相。”
“但我也说过,为何美国司法部不要直接点名他,因为他并非这项调查的一部分。”
“他们点名了其他人……美国司法部将把这些带上法庭,然后交由法庭来裁决。”
不需要辞职下台
拉曼达兰(见图)补充,纳吉已经负起责任,整顿一马公司。
他认为,纳吉无需为一马公司案辞职下台。
“他已经负起责任,委任一支新团队进入一马公司。只有一小批非政府组织与在野党叫他离职,他无需要这么做。”
傍晚时分,拉曼达兰发文告确认,诚如他告诉《BBC》,美国司法部所提到的“一号大马官员”就是首相。
不过,他强调,纳吉并非美国司法部的调查对象。
“经过多个单位的全面调查,首相已被证明清白。”
美国司法部是于7月20日重手出击,向法院入禀充公诉状,申请追回逾10亿美元的资产。这些资产被指挪用一马公司资金所购置。
诉状宣称,一马公司资金遭挪用作为私用,用以在美国购买豪宅,支付拉斯维加斯赌场的赌博费用,购买超过2亿美元的艺术品,投资在美国纽约房地产计划,甚至作为部分好莱坞电影的投资金。
诉状点名4人,即首相纳吉的继子里扎、富豪刘特佐与两名阿布达比的政府官员。
傻子才不懂是谁
诉状也屡屡提及一名代号“一号大马官员”涉嫌贪腐。尽管美方不愿置评此事,但诉状显示,“一号大马官员”与首相纳吉继子里扎属于亲戚关系,且为一马公司决策人物。
在野党与公民社会纷纷认为,所谓的“一号官”就是纳吉本人。
8月6日,拉曼达兰表示,只有傻子才会不知道谁是“一号官”。不过,他当时并没确认一号官就是纳吉。

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