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依斯干达-森林城市-这次会和解救普通人一样崩盘吗?

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发表于 23-6-2017 07:12 AM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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                            A model of the Forest City development at the Country Garden showroom in Johor, Malaysia.
   
                Photographer: Ore Huiying/Bloomberg   
                                    The $100 Billion City Next to Singapore Has a Big China Problem            Beijing's capital controls are spooking some property buyers
                            Bloomberg News                        23 June 2017, 5:00 AM MYT               
                                            
   
                                                The $100 billion city rising from the sea next to Singapore has hit a roadblock: China’s capital controls.
The dream of a Malaysian version of Shenzhen — largely funded by Chinese developers and buyers — with hotels, offices, golf courses, tech parks and thousands of ritzy new apartments, is having to adapt after China’s government clamped down on an exodus of money for investment in overseas property.
Developers’ sales offices in China that once brought in buyers by the hundreds are now pushing developments in Chinese cities. Subsidized junkets that flew in prospective buyers to development sites in the southern Malaysian state of Johor have dwindled. And some buyers who paid deposits for yet-to-be-built homes are considering canceling their purchases.
“I feel I’m on the horns of a dilemma,” said Michelle Gao, who paid about 600,000 yuan ($87,825) toward the 1.2 million yuan cost of a two-bedroom apartment at Country Garden Holdings Co.’s vast Forest City development. “If the project relies so much on Chinese buyers like me, how on earth are they able to sell in future? Will the construction ever finish?”


Country Garden's "Forest City'' development project in the Iskandar region of Johor, Malaysia.
Photographer: Ore Huiying
The crackdown on outflows of money from China has spooked some buyers. While Chinese citizens are allowed an annual foreign exchange quota of $50,000, the government said in December that all buyers of foreign exchange must sign a pledge that they won’t use their quotas for offshore property investment. Violators would be added to a watch list, denied access to foreign currency for three years and be subject to a money-laundering investigation.
The restriction threatens to take the wind out of residential property sales in cities around the world where prices have been driven in the past few years by buyers from China. Few projects are likely to be affected as much as the Chinese-financed developments in Johor, some of which had relied on mainland customers for as much as 90 percent of sales.
Six Chinese buyers interviewed for this story said they paid a 10 percent down-payment to Country Garden in showrooms in China by swiping debit or credit cards or using payment services like Alipay. They said the property agents are now telling them they need to go to Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia or Macau to swipe their cards to pay the balance of installments, or wire funds to Country Garden’s overseas accounts.


Top: Potential buyers walk around a model of the Forest City showroom development as lines of buses ferrying would-be buyers sit parked outside in November 2016. Bottom: The same showroom, with far fewer potential customers, during an event in June this year.
Photographer: Ore Huiying/Bloomberg
Many are worried that would still make them liable under China’s foreign exchange rules. This month, the Chinese government said domestic banks will have to provide daily reports of clients’ overseas transactions of more than 1,000 yuan.
“I was told it can still be done from Hong Kong, but I’m just scared now,” said buyer Elaine Xiao. “I don’t know what punishment I may get.”
Country Garden said the controls have not had a material effect on sales and construction at Forest City is continuing. It has completed a luxury hotel and handed over the first batch of 132 apartments on May 1.
The Johor developments stem from Iskandar Malaysia, a government effort to leverage Singapore’s success by building a new metropolis near the causeway that connects the island state to the Malaysian city of Johor Bahru. When the 20-year project was announced in 2006, it envisaged a total investment of 383 billion ringgit ($87 billion) and much of the early investment came from Singapore.


But then Chinese developers like Country Garden and [url=https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/600606H]Greenland Holdings Group Co.[/url] moved in with projects that dwarfed those of their Malaysian and Singaporean rivals. Country Garden’s “Forest City” alone called for a $100 billion high-rise town to be built on artificial islands within a few hundred yards of Singapore.
The projects were marketed in China, and thousands paid deposits for apartments that cost as much as double the rate per square meter of homes for Malaysian buyers in Johor Bahru.
A buyer whose family name is Yu said she doesn’t intend to pay the next installment on her apartment when it comes due this month. She said her agent advised her to swipe her credit card in Hong Kong to get around the rules. “I asked the sales agent will you take responsibility when I’m blacklisted in China?”
Yu, from Guangzhou, put down a deposit on a 1.2 million yuan, 59-square-meter apartment in Phase III of the project while visiting the vast landscaped sales gallery at the construction site in December. She’s among those now considering walking away from the agreement because of concern about breaking the rules.


Ongoing construction at Country Garden's "Forest City'' development.
Photographer: Ore Huiying/Bloomberg
Country Garden announced on June 20 it would proceed with stage 2 of the Forest City development, a $280 million plan that includes golf courses, an international school and another hotel. The developer said in April it was in discussion with fewer than 60 Chinese buyers who indicated their intention to cancel bookings. The company said it sold 16,000 residential units in Forest City last year.
Country Garden said earlier it had stopped marketing Forest City in its sales galleries in China and ceased organizing tours to its Johor projects for would-be buyers. Its agents in China are pushing domestic projects in the country’s tropical southern resort of Sanya and the seaside city of Beihai.
The developer said it has opened Forest City showrooms in Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta, and plans to open more this year in Vietnam, Myanmar, Taiwan, Thailand, Japan, Dubai, the Philippines and Laos.
Construction at Greenland’s Jade Palace development was suspended in November while the company considered revising the project density to build more, but smaller apartments, according to a sales agent with knowledge of the project. No construction work was going on during a weekday visit to the site in May.


A show apartment at the Tropicana Danga Bay property showroom.
Photographer: Ore Huiying/Bloomberg
In a response to written questions, [url=https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/600606H]Greenland[/url] said on June 3 that construction had not stopped and that the design of the apartments will be optimized pending feedback from previous buyers. It declined to give sales figures, but said it is looking for more buyers outside China.
Samuel Tan, executive director at KGV International Property Consultants, said approvals for all new serviced apartments in Johor have been frozen since 2014 and existing projects were introducing more affordable properties at around 600,000 ringgit instead of 800,000 to 1 million ringgit.
“Given the oversupply, we don’t foresee any recovery until 2019 for high-rise projects,” Tan said. He said China’s capital controls were only significant to the Chinese-owned projects.
The glut of properties being built in Johor has also affected local developers, Petaling Jaya-based Tropicana Corp. is giving a 25 percent rebate on the list price of homes they are marketing an interest-free, 36-month deferred payment plan. Resale asking prices of properties in Johor have dropped 2 percent in the past two years, according to real estate listings website PropertyGuru.com.
Yu, the buyer from Guangzhou, worries that the thousands of apartments still to be built at Forest City will be hard to sell without Chinese buyers.
“My home is still in the ocean,” Yu said. “Locals will not buy homes with prices double the local rate. Without enough residents from China, everything will change.”


Construction continues on reclaimed land at Country Garden's "Forest City", with Singapore in the background.



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发表于 23-6-2017 08:48 AM | 显示全部楼层
崩盘大蛇可以低价进场购入
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发表于 23-6-2017 08:51 AM | 显示全部楼层
其实我已经等崩盘很久了
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发表于 23-6-2017 09:23 AM | 显示全部楼层
卖半价我也买不起
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发表于 23-6-2017 10:20 AM | 显示全部楼层
崩盤也不用考慮,
買下去大概只看得到廢墟..

除非有大發展商來接手
例如setia集團,sime darby,genting這種

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发表于 23-6-2017 12:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
johnjohn 发表于 23-6-2017 10:20 AM
崩盤也不用考慮,
買下去大概只看得到廢墟..

除非有大發展商來接手
例如setia集團,sime darby,genting這種

就算有其他的他发展商接手,问题还是一样,谁来买?
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发表于 23-6-2017 12:56 PM | 显示全部楼层
Orochimaru 发表于 23-6-2017 08:48 AM
崩盘大蛇可以低价进场购入

大蛇,你要明白一点,你买得起,付的起管理费是没问题的。

但是给那些只想买来投机的呢 ?又或者多数是中国籍屋主,一年没见上一次面的,没住又没还管理费,又找不到人,怎么办!

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发表于 23-6-2017 01:29 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
180 发表于 23-6-2017 12:56 PM
大蛇,你要明白一点,你买得起,付的起管理费是没问题的。

但是给那些只想买来投机的呢 ?又或者多数是中国籍屋主,一年没见上一次面的,没住又没还管理费,又找不到人,怎么办!

大蛇只是车大炮罢鳥啦,哪里有钱买噢
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发表于 23-6-2017 01:32 PM | 显示全部楼层
Orochimaru 发表于 23-6-2017 01:29 PM
大蛇只是车大炮罢鳥啦,哪里有钱买噢

大蛇一直都是个谦虚的文艺青年
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发表于 23-6-2017 03:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
楼主,崩盘还是驾崩了,猜对有奖金吗?
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发表于 23-6-2017 03:12 PM | 显示全部楼层
180 发表于 23-6-2017 01:32 PM
大蛇一直都是个谦虚的文艺青年

大大你说得很对,我也是将认为的。
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发表于 23-6-2017 03:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
180 发表于 23-6-2017 01:32 PM
大蛇一直都是个谦虚的文艺青年

不像楼主,楼主乱来的!
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发表于 23-6-2017 03:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
lhchew 发表于 23-6-2017 03:13 PM
不像楼主,楼主乱来的!

你说得两位,都是我敬重的大哥来的。
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发表于 23-6-2017 03:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
180 发表于 23-6-2017 03:27 PM
你说得两位,都是我敬重的大哥来的。

原来。。

大蛇是大哥,楼主是大哥大,你是小弟,我是小弟弟。。。对不对?

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发表于 23-6-2017 03:41 PM | 显示全部楼层

万一崩盘了,只能把悲伤留给自己了!


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发表于 23-6-2017 04:35 PM | 显示全部楼层
lhchew 发表于 23-6-2017 03:12 PM
大大你说得很对,我也是将认为的。

大chew伯说话还是一如既往的中恳
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发表于 24-6-2017 01:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
Orochimaru 发表于 23-6-2017 04:35 PM
大chew伯说话还是一如既往的中恳

没将说,你又要将了。
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 楼主| 发表于 24-6-2017 01:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
lhchew 发表于 24-6-2017 01:07 PM
没将说,你又要将将了。

chew伯
说话说好听是中肯
说难听就是软趴趴晚上要硬起来可能面对困难!


硬起来!?


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发表于 24-6-2017 01:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
pcmont 发表于 24-6-2017 01:14 PM
chew伯
说话说好听是中肯
说难听就是软趴趴晚上要硬起来可能面对困难!


硬起来!?

你不出现,一出场就是嘴牙利尖的!
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 楼主| 发表于 24-6-2017 01:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
lhchew 发表于 24-6-2017 01:19 PM
你不出现,一出场就是嘴牙利尖的!


大魔再次出现江湖,不只牙尖嘴利而已。。。。。。。。。。没那么简单!



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