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发表于 24-2-2019 05:36 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
如果要买更多房产,但是已有很多loan,其中一个我知道的方法是IHC。

1。要把房产从individual换去IHC公司名下,方法是不是当作individual卖房产给IHC?
2。这样不是要付SPA及Loan 的律师费和stamp duty?(这是蛮高的费用)
3。IHC是否有什么额外的费用?
4。哪里可以找到有关IHC的更多资讯?

请懂的大大拔刀相助。谢谢。
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发表于 24-2-2019 06:41 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
如果个人的负债已经太多,可以选择用公司名义来购置房产/购买自身拥有的房产。可以减轻债务又可以申请90%房贷一举两得

购置自身的房产只是把现有银行贷款转去给公司,房产名义还是属于自身的。所以不需要经过转名手续,SPA 的律师费还有stamp duty都可以省下来。只是需要给loan agreement 的律师费还有stamp duty而已
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发表于 24-2-2019 06:47 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
一間IHC要每年給5k費用
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 楼主| 发表于 25-2-2019 10:35 PM | 显示全部楼层
blackcat98 发表于 24-2-2019 06:47 PM
一間IHC要每年給5k費用

谢谢回复,请问能否告知这些是什么费用?
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发表于 25-2-2019 10:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
osk 发表于 25-2-2019 10:35 PM
谢谢回复,请问能否告知这些是什么费用?

audit fees
company secretary fee


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 楼主| 发表于 25-2-2019 10:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
Tigercrab 发表于 24-2-2019 06:41 PM
如果个人的负债已经太多,可以选择用公司名义来购置房产/购买自身拥有的房产。可以减轻债务又可以申请90%房贷一举两得

购置自身的房产只是把现有银行贷款转去给公司,房产名义还是属于自身的。所以不需要经过转 ...

谢谢回复。

银行能接受房产与贷款是不同名字吗?
用IHC是不是需要用我们的名字做guarantor?
如果要当guarantor需符合什么条件?

谢谢。
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发表于 27-2-2019 06:55 PM | 显示全部楼层
1)如果还有 loan,就不能 direct transfer,要以公司名义借 loan,但是公司借 loan (residential property),好像不能借 90%,据我所知大约是 60% (based on 屋价)
2)看情况,有借 loan 就会有 loan agreement。SPA 未必需要。
3)肯定要有 annual report,因为是 Sdn Bhd。每年都要给的。
4)SSM 会有,有熟悉的 accounting firm 会更容易知道。
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发表于 2-3-2019 06:45 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
osk 发表于 25-2-2019 10:39 PM
谢谢回复。

银行能接受房产与贷款是不同名字吗?
用IHC是不是需要用我们的名字做guarantor?
如果要当guarantor需符合什么条件?

谢谢。

房子的用有人跟贷款者可以是分开的,可是公司一定要是拥有人的。

如果公司的财务状况稳定,本身不需要做guarantor

guarantor 一定要有合理的收入
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 楼主| 发表于 3-3-2019 10:47 AM | 显示全部楼层
Tigercrab 发表于 2-3-2019 06:45 PM
房子的用有人跟贷款者可以是分开的,可是公司一定要是拥有人的。

如果公司的财务状况稳定,本身不需要做guarantor

guarantor 一定要有合理的收入

谢谢回复。

如果本来没有公司,就是没财务记录。
建立公司的目的就只是为了把loan转到IHC名下,这样就肯定要guarantor对吗?

比如我要用这间公司的名义借100万,guarantor需有多少收入算合理?
公司借房贷,最长可以借多长时间?

谢谢。
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 楼主| 发表于 3-3-2019 10:52 AM | 显示全部楼层
Jefftjy 发表于 27-2-2019 06:55 PM
1)如果还有 loan,就不能 direct transfer,要以公司名义借 loan,但是公司借 loan (residential property),好像不能借 90%,据我所知大约是 60% (based on 屋价)
2)看情况,有借 loan 就会有 loan agreemen ...

谢谢回复。

现在不懂还有refinance包律师费的吗?以前就听说过。
sdn bhd的annual report是要请人做的对吗?谁会做这种东西?accounting firm?
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发表于 3-3-2019 12:09 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
osk 发表于 3-3-2019 10:47 AM
谢谢回复。

如果本来没有公司,就是没财务记录。
建立公司的目的就只是为了把loan转到IHC名下,这样就肯定要guarantor对吗?

比如我要用这间公司的名义借100万,guarantor需有多少收入算合理?
公司借房贷 ...

申请IHC是那些没有公司的人,如果本身已经有公司了也可以用自己的公司来借贷。
公司借贷有点复杂,你的公司的profit before tax必须多余你公司现有贷款加上100万的每年供期
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发表于 3-3-2019 12:11 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
osk 发表于 3-3-2019 10:52 AM
谢谢回复。

现在不懂还有refinance包律师费的吗?以前就听说过。
sdn bhd的annual report是要请人做的对吗?谁会做这种东西?accounting firm?

refinance 可以把律师费也一起借,audited report 可以找accountant 做,如果没有熟悉的accountant我可以介绍
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发表于 3-3-2019 06:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
osk 发表于 3-3-2019 10:52 AM
谢谢回复。

现在不懂还有refinance包律师费的吗?以前就听说过。
sdn bhd的annual report是要请人做的对吗?谁会做这种东西?accounting firm?

有些银行可以跟律师费一起借。Annual report 一定要让 accountant 帮你做
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 楼主| 发表于 5-3-2019 02:00 AM | 显示全部楼层
Jefftjy 发表于 3-3-2019 06:25 PM
有些银行可以跟律师费一起借。Annual report 一定要让 accountant 帮你做

谢谢回复。

是随便一个accountant (ACCA资格)都可以做,还是他需要什么资格。
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发表于 7-3-2019 06:42 AM | 显示全部楼层
osk 发表于 5-3-2019 02:00 AM
谢谢回复。

是随便一个accountant (ACCA资格)都可以做,还是他需要什么资格。

有经验的 account firm 就可以了,不过通常都会有 ACCA的,毕竟也是要 license 的一个行业
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发表于 7-3-2019 09:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
现在市场上的那些Investor club, 那些导师都是教他们的会员用 IHC 买屋子,同时买几间,尤其是那些有很多cashback的,他们更加鼓励你去投资。尤其是 AW , RL , GY , LG , TY 都是鼓励大家同时买几间。

有些会一直叫你refinance、 一些会帮你出租、一些是买了就不理你。

如果手上只有3-5间,可以开始考虑用IHC。
但也不是每间单位适合用IHC 去refinance。

用IHC 买 residential / under HDA,或refinance 你的单位,只有60%贷款。
除非你买 commercial / office / Soho SoFo SoVo SoLo ,就可以拿到80-85%
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发表于 9-3-2019 01:10 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
shonhock 发表于 7-3-2019 09:48 PM
现在市场上的那些Investor club, 那些导师都是教他们的会员用 IHC 买屋子,同时买几间,尤其是那些有很多cashback的,他们更加鼓励你去投资。尤其是 AW , RL , GY , LG , TY 都是鼓励大家同时买几间。

有些会一直 ...

ty指的是 ty yap?
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 楼主| 发表于 9-3-2019 02:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
shonhock 发表于 7-3-2019 09:48 PM
现在市场上的那些Investor club, 那些导师都是教他们的会员用 IHC 买屋子,同时买几间,尤其是那些有很多cashback的,他们更加鼓励你去投资。尤其是 AW , RL , GY , LG , TY 都是鼓励大家同时买几间。

有些会一直 ...

感谢回复。

请问Serviced Apartment (commercial title, residential purpose)用IHC可loan多少%?
我也在评估是不适合,划不划算用IHC来买房或refinance。
我想用IHC的话,可能税务方面会有优惠(如果本身已处于较高的tax bracket)?比如bank interest,维修等可以赦免tax?
毕竟IHC每年有固定费用,把loan转到IHC名下也需要一些费用。

目前,书局有没有有关马来西亚IHC的书籍可参考?

谢谢。
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发表于 10-3-2019 07:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
osk 发表于 9-3-2019 02:25 PM
感谢回复。

请问Serviced Apartment (commercial title, residential purpose)用IHC可loan多少%?
我也在评估是不适合,划不划算用IHC来买房或refinance。
我想用IHC的话,可能税务方面会有优惠(如果本身 ...

请问Serviced Apartment (commercial title under HDA, residential purpose)用IHC可loan多少%?
commercial under HDA 60%
residential 60%
commercial (office / soho) 80-85%

我也在评估是不适合,划不划算用IHC来买房或refinance。
我想用IHC的话,可能税务方面会有优惠(如果本身已处于较高的tax bracket)?比如bank interest,维修等可以赦免tax?

毕竟IHC每年有固定费用,把loan转到IHC名下也需要一些费用。是的,最基本就是每年需要给audit charges & comp secretary (RM3k - 7k)

目前,书局有没有有关马来西亚IHC的书籍可参考?不肯定


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 楼主| 发表于 10-3-2019 10:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 osk 于 10-3-2019 11:03 PM 编辑

Setting up an Investment Holding Company (IHC): What property investors need to know


This article was updated on 2 January 2019.
Property investor, Andy Gan shares all you need to know about using an Investment Holding Company (IHC) to build a real estate portfolio.



#1 What is an IHC?
A corporation which is incorporated for the sole purpose of holding something like an asset, where the company does not carry out any form of business and merely acts as a shell company to hold said assets.
A) At least 80% of the company’s gross income (whether exempt or not exempt) is derived from the holding of those investments, where:
Total Gross Income = Dividend + Interest + Rental
B) It is a separate legal entity by itself – The owner and the company are treated as two separate persons. This means that the shareholders are not liable for the company’s debts beyond the amount of share capital they have contributed.
C) An IHC has its own capacity to borrow loans and pay taxes. Similarly, it can sue and be sued.



#2 What are the benefits of using an IHC?Ali and Adam are interested in investing in a piece of commercial property (Property A) in Mont Kiara. Assuming that Ali and Adam use their own capacity to purchase Property A, it will be under their JOINT names. However, if Ali and Adam use an IHC as an investment vehicle, the property will be under the IHC’s name. But let’s say an IHC was not used – in the event of Ali’s death, Adam will now have a problem to dispose of the property somewhere in the future.
It will probably take at least a year of legal proceedings to settle such a transaction. However if an IHC was used, Ali’s death will only affect the shareholding of the company and not Property A. Therefore, Adam will not have any problems in disposing of Property A whenever he wants to.

In the event of a conflict between partners, say there is a disagreement over whether or not to sell Property A; it might prove problematic as both parties have equal say.This will be a great disadvantage for the investment partner who invested a larger sum of capital. In the case of an IHC, whoever holds a larger shareholding in that company will have the final say. The investment partner who invested the larger sum will thus have larger shareholding, therefore reducing his investment risks.

IHCs safeguard your investments from any potential threats. There is the possibility that your partner will embezzle all of the investment money. Setting up an IHC requires the implementation of proper authorization by the banks, thus, avoiding such an event from happening.

Financing – It helps you to obtain greater finances


Do you know that you can immediately apply for a loan upon setting up an IHC? In comparison, when an operating company wants to borrow from a bank, it is required to present at least 3 years of audited financial statements. By having some extent of formality, it will be easier to raise finances internally for property investors to buy say, a shophouse. This is because all of the agreements will state clearly aspects such as capital invested, shareholding ratios and who the directors are. This will indirectly help reduce a property investor’s risks too.

Let’s say there are 3 shareholders involved and one of the shareholder’s businesses went bankrupt. To get himself out of a financial fix, he could liquidate or dispose of his shareholding in the IHC to the other 2 shareholders. Not only is this process quicker and hassle-free but the other 2 shareholders will not be forced to sell off the property as well. Especially when it is currently generating good rental yield and capital gains!
Another example would be: Let’s say Ravi who brings in a high monthly income and has a substantial nest egg, also owns 10 properties. If he wants to purchase another piece of property, most banks will probably only finance him between 30% to 50% of the property price due to the high-risk exposure and Ravi’s high personal liability.

By setting up an IHC, Ravi can transfer (or refinance) his existing properties. By transferring his properties to the IHC, Ravi’s risk exposure is reduced automatically and hence, he is now able to borrow further. Furthermore, there will be less legal fee expenditure as Ravi may not need to transfer the Sales and Purchase Agreement (SPA) under the IHC, but merely the loan agreement.

Taxation – It helps you to minimize your overall tax payments to the IRB
When an IHC is used, the Inland Revenue Board (IRB) provides investors with a list of permitted expenses. These could be set against any rental income. Examples of permitted expenses include director fees and management fees. There is also a formula to calculate the number of permitted expenses that are claimable. The general rule is that the amount allowed for deduction should not exceed 5% of the total gross rental income for that basis period.

Malaysia practices a regime of a progressive tax system. This implies that the more income you earn, the higher tax RATE you will have to pay. Assuming that you earn a chargeable income of more than or equal to RM70,000, you will be paying a minimum rate of 21% in taxes.
For the year of assessment 2018, the tax rate for companies with a share capital of less than RM2.5 million will be charged a minimum tax rate of 18%, hence, IHCs will help investors to save a minimum of 3% in tax payments.
However, it is not as favourable in terms of Real Property Gain Tax (RPGT) when compared with individual capacity. As per the new measures introduced under Budget 2019; for individuals, a property held after the 5th year from the acquisition date will be subjected to a 5% RPGT upon disposal, whereas a flat rate of 10% applies for companies.



#3 What are the things to consider before setting up an IHC?
A) Margin of financing for residential and commercial properties
INDIVIDUALS:

RESIDENTIAL
COMMERCIAL
First Property
Up to 90%
Up to 80-85%
Second Property
Up to 90%
Up to 80-85%
Third Property Onwards
Up to 70%
Up to 80-85%



IHCs:

RESIDENTIAL
COMMERCIAL
First Property
Up to 60%
Up to 80-85%
Second Property
Up to 60%
Up to 80-85%
Third Property Onwards
Up to 60%
Up to 80-85%



As shown above, IHCs are much more profitable for the investment of commercial properties. Those who wish to invest in residential units must be prepared to fork out a minimum 40% down payment themselves.

Also, when it comes to considering a loan application submitted by an IHC, banks would place having a corporate guarantor with higher merit compared to the IHC having an individual guarantor (based on one of the Director’s income and commitment).


B) Administration cost
These include the maintenance cost of owning an IHC. Annual expenses including auditor fees and secretarial fees could range between RM4,000 to RM6,000.

C) It is time-consuming
There is the hassle of filing annual company accounts, etc.

D) Less tax savings
An IHC cannot carry forward losses for the year, if any, and is not able to claim any capital allowance.
Nevertheless, investors do get to enjoy some goodies with the recently-introduced Companies Act 2016, which served as a replacement to the prior Companies Act 1965. Upon its implementation on 31st January 2017, the Companies Act 2016 brought forth the following amendments:
1) A Sdn Bhd will no longer need a Memorandum and Article of Association (M&A) and now only requires a Constitution (if applicable).
2) A minimum number of two directors no longer applies.
3) There will be no more restrictions on object clauses.
4) There will be no more need for a Company Seal. With such changes, the administration costs are significantly reduced.

So, is the IHC way for you?
An IHC does offer many advantages, but investors should be aware that it is just an alternative vehicle in property investment. It is very important that you consult a financial planner, tax accountant and an attorney beforehand as the rules that surround IHCs are complex. Each property investor’s circumstances will be different, so a careful analysis of the factors involved is advisable prior to deciding on setting up an IHC.



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