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“生活费大减、四年会没储蓄” 这样的情况你们会买房吗?

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发表于 21-6-2019 11:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
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不買房自住 最終將落得後悔的下場
當然如果你已經有屋子了 想再買來炒的話就不必了
雖然這是澳洲的報導 但是也可以套在馬來西亞當你認為租房子自由自在 但你沒想過老了退休了怎辦
你每個月需要拿出一大部分的退休金來租房子
而且房東未必要租房子給你
一來你是老人 房東不知道你有沒有錢還租金
要是你沒有錢還要趕你走也難
人家會譴責他沒有良心趕老人家走
二來他怕你會死在他的房子
畢竟你是老人家
所以你老了可能會面對有錢租不到房子的局面
想買下來的話又不夠錢一次過付現金
銀行也不可能借錢給退休的老人家

Kate enjoyed her freedom too much to buy a house — now she regrets being a lifelong renter
By Katri Uibu
Updated 15 May 2019, 12:42pm

Kate the life long renter reading a book a couch, May 2019.

In her early 20s, Kate cherished her freedom too much to let the mortgage shackles tie her down.

"I never wanted to really own a house," she said.

"For me, renting was attractive because it gave me freedom of mobility. It meant that if I needed to leave, I could.

"I didn't have to invest all of that money into repairs and maintenance, and all of those costs and taxes that property owners have to have."

Now 44 and a single mother of one, nothing seems as attractive as a home to call her own.

"My lifestyle's very different now, I have a family to support and I need more stability," she said.

'I did make that choice'

Kate has never been a high-income earner. With a BA in fine arts, she was employed by galleries, but had to take on extra shifts in hospitality to get by.

"I'd accepted the fact that I had to make a choice between owning a home and working in a job I loved — because there's no money in that job. I did make that choice," she said.

"But that was when renting was a viable option for people on low incomes, and it no longer is in this country."

Kate fears time has run out for her, and she will never be able to save enough money to buy and pay off a house.

"If I had started saving in my 20s and maybe bought a house in my mid-30s, I would have missed the housing crisis. I'd be alright now," she said.

Australian rental market 'utterly unsuited' for secure housing
Kate is not alone.

Dr Kathleen Flanagan, a housing expert from the University of Tasmania, said many Australians now found saving for a home while renting unaffordable.

She said, historically, it was assumed Australians would rent for a couple of years, then buy their own home — but this happens less now.

"So, [traditionally] we have quite a low aged pension, and the reason for that is we assume that [pensioners] own their home outright and their housing costs are therefore very minimal," she said.

"What we're seeing now is that increasingly people on the aged pension are living in the private rental market, and we are seeing that their capacity to sustain themselves is very difficult."

Inevitably, Dr Flanagan says renters are forced to "put up with a lot".

"People are at a greater risk of living in a substandard housing or being treated poorly by their landlord," she said.

"[They] might not feel able to request basic maintenance to be done on their properties because they're concerned about the repercussions it has on their ongoing tenancy."

Dr Flanagan said Australia's rental market was "utterly unsuited" for providing long-term secure housing, and the country would do well to look towards Europe.

"In Europe, renting is much more normalised and renting is accompanied by legislative environment that supports long-term renting," she said.

"Tenants have more control over their property."

The Real Estate Institute of Australia (REIA) estimates that 8 million Australians across the country are renting.

REIA president Adrian Kelly said the housing problems in Tasmania should act as a warning to other states.

For example, the REIA estimates Hobart is short of 5,000 properties — driving up the demand — but the stalling of people's wages means many on lower incomes are falling behind.

"I have no doubt that that's happening right now," he said.

"Everyone's doing well and enjoying themselves, except for those people."

The only way to fix the issue, in Mr Kelly's view, is to build more homes.

"We have to do it. That's the only way. Because there's not enough homes to go around," Mr Kelly said.

Kate has been renting for more than three decades, and spent hundreds of dollars of "wasted" money on rent.

As rental prices in her hometown of Hobart kept skyrocketing — even surpassing those in Melbourne — she was eventually priced out of her long-term rental.

"As the rental market became increasingly mercenary, I realised that not only would I never own a house, but I may even end up homeless because I was having trouble finding houses to rent," she said.

Faced with the double whammy, anxiety took over.

"I worried myself sick. I lied awake literally every single night with insomnia, worrying about what was going to happen, how was I going to support us," she said.

Kate said the country was too fixated on achieving the "great Australian dream — the quarter-acre block", leaving it geared towards serving the investors.

"It's very much you're living in someone's investment property and you're paying off their mortgage," she said.

"That's such part of our cultural narrative that it hasn't left any scope for, well, what do other housing models look like?"

First posted 15 May 2019, 4:00am

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019 ... wn-a-house/11082294
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 楼主| 发表于 21-6-2019 11:20 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
I.haven 发表于 21-6-2019 03:03 PM
首先,不用管姨妈姑姐说什么,你没房子的时候他们不会给你房子,所以现在也不用管他们说什么。
以后嫁人房子就卖掉或租处去罗,“嫁人”不是不买房子的理由。

第二,从楼主给的资料看,每个月需供大约RM1250, 我 ...

我爸爸的生活费有时我还要帮补呢
看来,我是真的不太适合买房子……
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 楼主| 发表于 21-6-2019 11:26 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
神垂死 发表于 21-6-2019 10:21 PM
这个没什么用,大部分发展商申请hoc都素把房价压高,房价高了免律师印花全部素消费者买单,加上hoc最低30万的房子的发展商才能申请,试问大部分1m的屋子有hoc。还素买不起~

说得太对了……只是不同区域……何必把房价抬那么高呢……
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 楼主| 发表于 21-6-2019 11:27 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
神垂死 发表于 21-6-2019 10:24 PM
其实楼主单身的话更不需要买,没孩子无牵挂,把钱拿去买蓝筹股,以后老了吃股票的利息拿来租间小屋就够了,最重要现在有厚厚的cash庞身,房子真的不素必需品~

照你这样一说,我又犹豫了~
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 楼主| 发表于 21-6-2019 11:28 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
t.c.l 发表于 21-6-2019 11:15 PM
可以找那些负担房屋如rumah Selangor在klang和putra hights都有1000sq  卖270k,未来还会继续健。2手是怕问题还有一大堆费用lz买房子不是买手机,要想清楚(你需要它还是你喜欢它)

我需要……而已TvT...
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发表于 21-6-2019 11:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
bobo47 发表于 21-6-2019 11:26 PM
说得太对了……只是不同区域……何必把房价抬那么高呢……

hoc只素方便那些要买的人罢了,没本事买的还素没用~
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 楼主| 发表于 21-6-2019 11:37 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
carol33 发表于 21-6-2019 05:52 PM
看自己能力来买,况且你又一个单身女生,怎样有自己一个安稳的住处你也不必一直担心屋主涨价或者要卖掉而不租你。况且你目前都租屋子750了,自己再多加几百块就可以属于自己的屋子。
EPF的第二户口是可以给屋主提供 ...

我搬了5次家……搬怕了。
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 楼主| 发表于 21-6-2019 11:38 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
BlazeA4 发表于 21-6-2019 11:19 PM
不買房自住 最終將落得後悔的下場
當然如果你已經有屋子了 想再買來炒的話就不必了
雖然這是澳洲的報導 但是也可以套在馬來西亞當你認為租房子自由自在 但你沒想過老了退休了怎辦
你每個月需要拿出一大部分的退休 ...

40岁之前买还会迟吗……一想到就想哭……
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发表于 21-6-2019 11:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
bobo47 发表于 21-6-2019 11:27 PM
照你这样一说,我又犹豫了~

因为老子看很过很多理财书,房子真的不素很重要罢了,因为房子不会带来收入资产,只会支出负债,把钱用在更能钱生钱的地方,又不怕供不起被bank lelong,又自由自在无牵挂享受人生~
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 楼主| 发表于 21-6-2019 11:46 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
神垂死 发表于 21-6-2019 11:39 PM
因为老子看很过很多理财书,房子真的不素很重要罢了,因为房子不会带来收入资产,只会支出负债,把钱用在更能钱生钱的地方,又不怕供不起被bank lelong,又自由自在无牵挂享受人生~

谢谢你的分享,屋子还是会买的,当然会在毫无后顾之忧的情况下啦~
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发表于 21-6-2019 11:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
bobo47 发表于 21-6-2019 11:38 PM
40岁之前买还会迟吗……一想到就想哭……

越早買越好
只是辛苦開始那幾年罷了
不然以後都很難有機會買
當然不要買太超過自己能力的房子
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发表于 21-6-2019 11:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
bobo47 发表于 21-6-2019 11:46 PM
谢谢你的分享,屋子还是会买的,当然会在毫无后顾之忧的情况下啦~

会买就不要等了,你40岁银行就借不足给你的了,因为看到年纪大了~
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发表于 22-6-2019 12:55 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
放你爸的名贷款,不要连名,你爸倒了哪间就是你的了。

要不然租房间 33岁了 又没孩子 省40年左右可以活。

33岁还可以花点钱整容咯。 然后减肥, 放500cc 的。
40岁前住洋房应该没问题


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发表于 22-6-2019 12:57 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
神垂死 发表于 21-6-2019 11:53 PM
会买就不要等了,你40岁银行就借不足给你的了,因为看到年纪大了~

有这种事的吗
要看年龄的吗 呵呵 我怎么不懂
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发表于 22-6-2019 01:11 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
好大一支 发表于 22-6-2019 12:57 AM
有这种事的吗
要看年龄的吗 呵呵 我怎么不懂

年龄越大越借不到钱或借不足,40岁的话银行不敢冒险借30年给你,因为他们认为你60岁就没工作了哪里可能供到70年,这个素偶老板一直炒楼说的经验~
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发表于 22-6-2019 01:35 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
神垂死 发表于 22-6-2019 01:11 AM
年龄越大越借不到钱或借不足,40岁的话银行不敢冒险借30年给你,因为他们认为你60岁就没工作了哪里可能供到70年,这个素偶老板一直炒楼说的经验~

看了, 是35年或70岁 ,whichever comes 1st.

老版级的不是拿资产来炒的吗? 拿工资来炒是compress loan 吧, 会死人的咯
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发表于 22-6-2019 01:43 AM | 显示全部楼层
好大一支 发表于 22-6-2019 01:35 AM
看了, 是35年或70岁 ,whichever comes 1st.

老版级的不是拿资产来炒的吗? 拿工资来炒是compress loan 吧, 会死人的咯

那个老板已经上岸了,素在房子黄金时期狂炒,那时买了再卖一间都能赚几百千的,最近他手上最后一间自己住的也放了买时12万(供完),刚卖了50万,主要附近起了大学/中学/小学,老子一个同事40岁借loan,银行不借,因为看他单身年龄大,还素selangorku的房子,所以说不素说年龄大就肯定可以买,这点很多人不懂~
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发表于 22-6-2019 08:56 AM | 显示全部楼层
楼主你考虑下KEPONG 的WIP project,
198K 八百多方尺,3房,新CONDO,不过还没有起好
不过有条件啦, 七月的时候会lunach
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发表于 22-6-2019 09:19 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
自住的需要负担得起。

但是都要视乎情况,你要买新屋子,还是旧屋子?新屋子基本上有很多不需要先出钱,中间只是供利息,有一个两三年给你缓和,但是二手屋子没有时间给你缓和,只能够立刻拿一笔钱出来,会更加辛苦。考虑清楚地点跟想要的。
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发表于 22-6-2019 09:27 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 cmong2005 于 22-6-2019 09:29 AM 编辑

买来自住的OK啦,现在经济这么差,新房屋有很多折扣。投资就免了。还有最重要的,薪水会涨的嘛
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